But then using the same pen he went on to produce 28 more signatures, even setting a fastest signature on signature 26.
The difference is the important bit though, isn't it? As Jolle said, for example INEOs probably wants to use Hamilton to progressive-wash their portfolio and Hamilton is currently not into that. His talking about image rights sounds partially like a description of the right to choose what he does with his image, not only the right to get money from it.Just_a_fan wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 8:20 pmIt's the difference between what others want of him and what he wants for himself. Not that difficult a concept really.aMessageToCharlie wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 5:05 pm
Also I see people arguing that Hamilton is the best marketing value ever and worth every penny of >=50Million. But at the same time it seems to be a well known fact that he doesnt want/like to do promo stuff? Which one is it then? Can't have both.
You and I know that but the post I replied to suggested it was something else.nzjrs wrote: ↑Wed Jan 13, 2021 11:01 amThe difference is the important bit though, isn't it? As Jolle said, for example INEOs probably wants to use Hamilton to progressive-wash their portfolio and Hamilton is currently not into that. His talking about image rights sounds partially like a description of the right to choose what he does with his image, not only the right to get money from it.Just_a_fan wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 8:20 pmIt's the difference between what others want of him and what he wants for himself. Not that difficult a concept really.aMessageToCharlie wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 5:05 pm
Also I see people arguing that Hamilton is the best marketing value ever and worth every penny of >=50Million. But at the same time it seems to be a well known fact that he doesnt want/like to do promo stuff? Which one is it then? Can't have both.
What did you interpret the post to suggest?Just_a_fan wrote: ↑Wed Jan 13, 2021 11:24 amYou and I know that but the post I replied to suggested it was something else.nzjrs wrote: ↑Wed Jan 13, 2021 11:01 amThe difference is the important bit though, isn't it? As Jolle said, for example INEOs probably wants to use Hamilton to progressive-wash their portfolio and Hamilton is currently not into that. His talking about image rights sounds partially like a description of the right to choose what he does with his image, not only the right to get money from it.Just_a_fan wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 8:20 pm
It's the difference between what others want of him and what he wants for himself. Not that difficult a concept really.
You said we can't have it both ways that he has a marketing value but that he wants to decide more of what he markets. You suggest that those positions are contrary. They aren't, of course, it just means that his marketing value is directed in specific areas rather than a broad brush over whatever is thrown at him. He still has massive market value even if he wishes to limit where that is used.aMessageToCharlie wrote: ↑Wed Jan 13, 2021 11:45 amWhat did you interpret the post to suggest?Just_a_fan wrote: ↑Wed Jan 13, 2021 11:24 amYou and I know that but the post I replied to suggested it was something else.nzjrs wrote: ↑Wed Jan 13, 2021 11:01 am
The difference is the important bit though, isn't it? As Jolle said, for example INEOs probably wants to use Hamilton to progressive-wash their portfolio and Hamilton is currently not into that. His talking about image rights sounds partially like a description of the right to choose what he does with his image, not only the right to get money from it.
And how does Hamilton's (speculated) refusal to market specific products/companies as requested by his employer not negatively impact his (speculated) marketing value?
Dunno... Ratcliffe is a bit of a dubious figure but he also knows how stuff works. And is not shy to invest. His deal with Sir Ben Ainslie is also around 150-200 mln dollars. In comparison to that, Toto is giving him a much better deal. Even their cycling team costs them around 50 mln a year, excluding additional marketing.PlatinumZealot wrote: ↑Sun Jan 17, 2021 2:11 pmI don't like the smell of Ineos. lead by another British fogurehead who wishes to squash Hamilton down and control him. It would be better if another non-British company hard partnered with Mercedes.
Still doesn't change the ego - lot's of these billionaires started from humble beginings. It's just a suspicion on my part that he wants in, but is coming to change how things are controlled. I have to really see how Ineos brands themselves on social media to see what to respect. I am sensing a boring McLaren-like vibe where the drivers will be reigned in.
I guess you mean figurehead? Representative without acutual power?PlatinumZealot wrote: ↑Sun Jan 17, 2021 2:11 pmI don't like the smell of Ineos. lead by another British fogurehead who wishes to squash Hamilton down and control him. It would be better if another non-British company hard partnered with Mercedes.