PlatinumZealot wrote: ↑
Mon Feb 15, 2021 4:27 pm
nzjrs wrote: ↑
Mon Feb 15, 2021 10:10 am
Just take the L PZ.
I think you've either misunderstood what has been said to you by your friend (here are some definitions:
or you or them have fallen prey to the ZeroCovid belief. In any case, you haven't supported or explained your position well enough for us to really judge, so please post some more sources.
Nope. Never said anything about herd immunity. Just stating how it is possible for it to disapper in two ways.
And what is this win / lose thing?
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Yes. So tranmission you are talking about is simply by persons failing to follow protocols. And the virus keeps getting handed around to infect new persons.
Once protocols are followed by all countries however, in theory (and big in theory) it should go away and not return to the populations.
The Flu is different. Even if the Flu is eradicated say in a period, it will return again via birds, to the population some other time.
This is the main difference. You can see that we are fortunate that the case is not the latter one.
Corona virus is much more in our hands because if this fact. (no closely interaction with its zootonic reservior).
Why does that fact need to contract what is said? It doesn't. If we are stubborn bastards coronavirus will be around for a long, long time.
So, if everyone of nearly 8 billion people around the globe follow the various protocols the virus will disappear? Hmm, how likely do you think that is? Really? People even now in the heart of the pandemic aren't following protocols. They sure as heck won't do so once we're "on the way out" of it. That's a dead certainty.
I'm not convinced by the requirement for other animals to be in the system for the pandemic to continue.
What about the other coronaviruses that infect humans? They're all zoonotic. And 4 of them remain in the world wide human population. HCov-OC43, for example, is involved with the common cold but also can cause more serious pneumonia and it appears to have jumped in to humans from cattle sometime around 130 years ago. And 130 years later it still with us.
HCov-NL63 appears to have in to humans from bats several hundred years ago. And it's still around infecting people today. It generally adversely affects young children and the old. It infects humans by binding to ACE2 - the same receptor site that SARS-CoV-2 (Covid) uses to infect humans, interestingly.
And even if one allows for your suggestion that Covid must have a non-human reservoir, that reservoir appears to be bats as that appears to be the original source before the species jump occurred. And bats are extremely common, found worldwide and, importantly, can fly making them rather difficult to control. Not that we could successfully control them of course. Nor should we. Killing millions / billions of bats just to prevent Covid would be unconscionable.
It's worth noting that SARS-Cov-2 has been with us for approximately 1 year. In that time, hundreds of variants have emerged as the virus has mutated as it has moved through the human population. Some of those mutations have been more notable than others. The "UK variant" went global in a matter of days.
To think it will disappear in a short time frame is naïve. Hopefully, it will get to a level where the health systems can deal with it whilst remaining viable for all other requirements. Then we will be in a similar position to what we have with seasonal flu.
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