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McLaren Racing has become the first Formula One team to unveil their 2021 contender at the McLaren Technology Centre in Woking, UK. Named the MCL35M to underline the team's return to Mercedes power.
James key says its mostly due to the longer gearbox bell housing required the Mercedes engines. Maybe the low mounted turbocharger caused that.cheeRS wrote: ↑16 Feb 2021, 05:51Interesting - if not surprising - that this is a long wheelbase (LWB) car like the Mercs of and recent RP. I think that this bodes very, very wheel for the MCL35B. Due to the reduced floor area this year, a logical (and legal) way to claw some of that area back is to have a longer wheel base, which clearly stretches the available area between the F/R wheels out. People moaned and complained about the Pink Merc last year, but it certainly delivered for RP. Now a third team adopting the LWB/MERC concept? I like it very much. Speculation of course, but I see a strong podium or even a win(s) in store for the Woking team this year. :hope:
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Learnings from their Honda days...zibby43 wrote: ↑16 Feb 2021, 10:25via @ScarbsTech:
"Macs enlarged centre cooling package, includes a sizable heat exchanger behind the engine. The sidepod's are physically slimmer, but also appear much slimmer due to change a profile, as they more jellymould shaped and less undercut"
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The car is pretty much a Mercedes copy at this point. Merc nose, body, gearbox, wings, wheels, brake fins... They just did it gradually.
It’s called convergence... The more stable the regulations, the more the teams start to adopt similar philosophies (specially those from the leading car(s).PlatinumZealot wrote:The car is pretty much a Mercedes copy at this point. Merc nose, body, gearbox, wings, wheels, brake fins... They just did it gradually.
so it makes sense merc adopted this. Heres a short introduction.PlatinumZealot wrote: ↑18 Feb 2021, 21:47James key says its mostly due to the longer gearbox bell housing required the Mercedes engines. Maybe the low mounted turbocharger caused that.cheeRS wrote: ↑16 Feb 2021, 05:51Interesting - if not surprising - that this is a long wheelbase (LWB) car like the Mercs of and recent RP. I think that this bodes very, very wheel for the MCL35B. Due to the reduced floor area this year, a logical (and legal) way to claw some of that area back is to have a longer wheel base, which clearly stretches the available area between the F/R wheels out. People moaned and complained about the Pink Merc last year, but it certainly delivered for RP. Now a third team adopting the LWB/MERC concept? I like it very much. Speculation of course, but I see a strong podium or even a win(s) in store for the Woking team this year. :hope:
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There was a point on saying that Mclaren was compromised by the lack of Tokens... In theory, the changes that Mclaren needed to make to accommodate the Mercedes PU had to be necessary and couldn’t provide a performance improvement / advantage.DiogoBrand wrote:What I fund funny is that everywhere you read about the car you see more or less the same thing:
"McLaren have started on the backfoot because they had to spend tokens to accomodate the power unit while other teams can use them to upgrade the chassis".
I mean, isn't the new PU an upgrade itself? I know it's anyone's guess how much better the Merc is in comparison to the Renault, but I think it's still pretty clear that it is superior, not to mention the packaging benefits it seems to have allowed.
I'm not saying that assumption from the journalists is definitely wrong, but at the same time there is a possibility of McLaren losing out due to spending tokens for the new PU, there is a slight possibility for it to work the other way around and become the best upgrade they could've made. I mean, the car from 2018 wasn't very good at the end of the season, but it was quite clear that it was a better car at the start when they changed to Renault.
That phrase was a metaphor.SmallSoldier wrote: ↑18 Feb 2021, 22:27It’s called convergence... The more stable the regulations, the more the teams start to adopt similar philosophies (specially those from the leading car(s).PlatinumZealot wrote:The car is pretty much a Mercedes copy at this point. Merc nose, body, gearbox, wings, wheels, brake fins... They just did it gradually.
I wouldn’t call it a copy though, since the concept is very different in key areas such as the front wing and bargeboards... If trying to have the slimmest possible engine cover and sidepods means copying Mercedes, then yes... But that is the goal of all the teams since it means effectively less drag... In any case, everyone would be copying Mclaren’s “Size Zero” concept from 2015.
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I agree that we won’t until the end of the season... But just a few points, the Front Suspension is Mclaren’s (not a copy of Mercedes) and the same used last year... The cape was introduced by Mclaren in Spain in 2017 on the MCL33 so I wouldn’t consider it a copy of Mercedes and the tighter engine cover is just a natural evolution, since the MCL34 was tighter than the MCL33 and the MCL35 tighter than the MCL34 so it has been a process to continuously reduce that footprint.PlatinumZealot wrote:That phrase was a metaphor.SmallSoldier wrote: ↑18 Feb 2021, 22:27It’s called convergence... The more stable the regulations, the more the teams start to adopt similar philosophies (specially those from the leading car(s).PlatinumZealot wrote: The car is pretty much a Mercedes copy at this point. Merc nose, body, gearbox, wings, wheels, brake fins... They just did it gradually.
I wouldn’t call it a copy though, since the concept is very different in key areas such as the front wing and bargeboards... If trying to have the slimmest possible engine cover and sidepods means copying Mercedes, then yes... But that is the goal of all the teams since it means effectively less drag... In any case, everyone would be copying Mclaren’s “Size Zero” concept from 2015.
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Of course its they didn't do like Racing point did. About convergence... Hmm.. Will need a topic on that at the end of the year... Performance wise... Ha.. Apperance wise.. Hmm.
The key merc-like elements on the Macca now. The front suspension. Nose. Cape. Barge boards. Guide vanes. jelly mould side pods etc.
Will have to watch the races to see how the car behaves on track if it has similar characterics strengths and weaknesses.
Haven't spoken to anyone, maybe after the weekend.
You have a good point. I think that what is the point is that McLaren could have done more, but I am confident they planned for it so they pushed in changes before the homologation deadline.DiogoBrand wrote: ↑18 Feb 2021, 23:07What I fund funny is that everywhere you read about the car you see more or less the same thing:
"McLaren have started on the backfoot because they had to spend tokens to accomodate the power unit while other teams can use them to upgrade the chassis".
I mean, isn't the new PU an upgrade itself? I know it's anyone's guess how much better the Merc is in comparison to the Renault, but I think it's still pretty clear that it is superior, not to mention the packaging benefits it seems to have allowed.
I'm not saying that assumption from the journalists is definitely wrong, but at the same time there is a possibility of McLaren losing out due to spending tokens for the new PU, there is a slight possibility for it to work the other way around and become the best upgrade they could've made. I mean, the car from 2018 wasn't very good at the end of the season, but it was quite clear that it was a better car at the start when they changed to Renault.