2021 Pre-season testing. Bahrain 12-14 March

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tomidix wrote:
Tue Mar 16, 2021 3:01 pm
If I can just note that in the spreadsheet RIC is mentioned as Alpine driver but he actually moved to McLaren.. so the data is wrong if we are looking at the teams..
Thanks for the hint. Yes, the team name for Ricciardo was wrong. I've fixed it now.

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Big Tea wrote:
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Any indication yet of if any car is particularly kind or hard on the tyres? The Merc looks twitchy and the Bull looks stable so do Red Bull have a slight advantage over last year?

Quite a few people think Mclaren looks kind...

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mclaren111 wrote:
Wed Mar 17, 2021 2:47 pm
Big Tea wrote:
Wed Mar 17, 2021 1:07 pm
Any indication yet of if any car is particularly kind or hard on the tyres? The Merc looks twitchy and the Bull looks stable so do Red Bull have a slight advantage over last year?

Quite a few people think Mclaren looks kind...
let's hope so! It would be wonderful and long overdue to see them genuinely compete, and this car feels like a huge step in that direction, along with the new engine and an exciting driver line up. Ricciardo is a proven winner in the right circumstances. Hoping to see a shoey sometime in 2021.

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Just_a_fan wrote:
Wed Mar 17, 2021 10:47 am
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Wed Mar 17, 2021 5:25 am
F1 Testing Data from FOM

Single Lap Pace

https://www.formula1.com/content/dam/fo ... /image.jpg

Race Pace

https://www.formula1.com/content/dam/fo ... /image.jpg
It seems quite surprising that Mercedes single lap and race pace are so very different. Using those figures, one might expect RedBull to get a lot of poles but Mercedes to get a lot of wins, ceteris paribus.

If that does run through to the season, it could make for an interesting time for both teams, with strategy being key to either winning.
If this is a roughly accurate snapshot, then this bodes will for Merc in the sense that the inherent pace is there.

Using the same analysis, data, and correction variables, FOM had RBR 1 tenth behind Merc in race pace during the 2020 Bahrain GP.

I don’t focus too much on the exact gaps, but it does support what I’ve seen from the Merc on longer stints.

It bodes well for RBR that they have easy-to-unleash quali pace, because that’s been inconsistent for them in the past.

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Merc-equiped teams had best top speeds but Merc was amongst the slowest on the speed traps during perf runs. Low engine mode ? High DF and drag ?

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Marble wrote:
Wed Mar 17, 2021 8:14 pm
Merc-equiped teams had best top speeds but Merc was amongst the slowest on the speed traps during perf runs. Low engine mode ? High DF and drag ?

https://blog.autoplus.fr/moncet/2021/03 ... ison-2021/
There were lots of videos of the Mercs not hitting 8th gear on the straights. I don't think they ever really turned the wick up.

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El Scorchio wrote:
Wed Mar 17, 2021 2:53 pm
mclaren111 wrote:
Wed Mar 17, 2021 2:47 pm
Big Tea wrote:
Wed Mar 17, 2021 1:07 pm
Any indication yet of if any car is particularly kind or hard on the tyres? The Merc looks twitchy and the Bull looks stable so do Red Bull have a slight advantage over last year?
Quite a few people think Mclaren looks kind...
let's hope so! It would be wonderful and long overdue to see them genuinely compete, and this car feels like a huge step in that direction, along with the new engine and an exciting driver line up. Ricciardo is a proven winner in the right circumstances. Hoping to see a shoey sometime in 2021.

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Herr_Koos wrote:
Wed Mar 17, 2021 8:18 pm
There were lots of videos of the Mercs not hitting 8th gear on the straights. I don't think they ever really turned the wick up.
Can someone explain to me why teams wouldn’t run their engines on full power during testing? My logic tells me that you want to find the (engine) limits in real world use to see how far you can push them. I would think that they might run them even at a higher mode than what they think should be the maximum to see what would fail first.

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SirBastianVettel wrote:
Wed Mar 17, 2021 8:31 pm
Herr_Koos wrote:
Wed Mar 17, 2021 8:18 pm
There were lots of videos of the Mercs not hitting 8th gear on the straights. I don't think they ever really turned the wick up.
Can someone explain to me why teams wouldn’t run their engines on full power during testing? My logic tells me that you want to find the (engine) limits in real world use to see how far you can push them. I would think that they might run them even at a higher mode than what they think should be the maximum to see what would fail first.
I guess that's all done on the dynos now, so they know the stress levels they can make the engines endure and how long for, way before they even get it near a track?

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Herr_Koos wrote:
Wed Mar 17, 2021 8:23 pm
El Scorchio wrote:
Wed Mar 17, 2021 2:53 pm
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Wed Mar 17, 2021 2:47 pm


Quite a few people think Mclaren looks kind...
let's hope so! It would be wonderful and long overdue to see them genuinely compete, and this car feels like a huge step in that direction, along with the new engine and an exciting driver line up. Ricciardo is a proven winner in the right circumstances. Hoping to see a shoey sometime in 2021.

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SirBastianVettel wrote:
Wed Mar 17, 2021 8:31 pm
Herr_Koos wrote:
Wed Mar 17, 2021 8:18 pm
There were lots of videos of the Mercs not hitting 8th gear on the straights. I don't think they ever really turned the wick up.
Can someone explain to me why teams wouldn’t run their engines on full power during testing? My logic tells me that you want to find the (engine) limits in real world use to see how far you can push them. I would think that they might run them even at a higher mode than what they think should be the maximum to see what would fail first.
My opinion: This was a risky test to try and find the limits of the engine, with only three available days. Let's assume you manage to blow it, what then? You're going to lose a huge chunk of time of an already very limited test window having to replace the power unit. I suspect they would rather use the dyno or a car test rig to find those limits.

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Only problem is u cannot fully simulate G forces on dynos and rolling test rigs.
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El Scorchio wrote:
Wed Mar 17, 2021 8:45 pm
SirBastianVettel wrote:
Wed Mar 17, 2021 8:31 pm
Herr_Koos wrote:
Wed Mar 17, 2021 8:18 pm
There were lots of videos of the Mercs not hitting 8th gear on the straights. I don't think they ever really turned the wick up.
Can someone explain to me why teams wouldn’t run their engines on full power during testing? My logic tells me that you want to find the (engine) limits in real world use to see how far you can push them. I would think that they might run them even at a higher mode than what they think should be the maximum to see what would fail first.
I guess that's all done on the dynos now, so they know the stress levels they can make the engines endure and how long for, way before they even get it near a track?
You would think so, and I guess this is also the reality. But still. Max had a technical stoppage last year in the opening race. Any battle (which of course was never going to happen last year) was immediately done and dusted right there and then. So I would try the limits on track anyway.

But I am sure all teams dynoed multiple engines into pieces so they will know the limits much better then Any on track testing could ever confirm.
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aleks_ader wrote:
Wed Mar 17, 2021 8:52 pm
Only problem is u cannot fully simulate G forces on dynos and rolling test rigs.
True, but you also can't learn anything about the performance of your car if it's parked in the garage all test because you pushed the PU too far.

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SirBastianVettel wrote:
Wed Mar 17, 2021 8:31 pm
Herr_Koos wrote:
Wed Mar 17, 2021 8:18 pm
There were lots of videos of the Mercs not hitting 8th gear on the straights. I don't think they ever really turned the wick up.
Can someone explain to me why teams wouldn’t run their engines on full power during testing? My logic tells me that you want to find the (engine) limits in real world use to see how far you can push them. I would think that they might run them even at a higher mode than what they think should be the maximum to see what would fail first.
You don't need to hit 8th gear to run at full power. if memory serves, you don't even have to run the proper gear ratios in testing. so you could push the engine hard, and never hit 8th gear.
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