Seems like a lot of flex for something that wasn't even their high downforce wing, so there would be less drag penalty anyway. Theoretically a higher drag, higher downforce wing would flex even more.Juzh wrote: ↑12 May 2021, 08:51Bending as seen in spain:
https://streamable.com/6xb9xv
If it's true this flex is worth 3 tenths and they have to get rid of it then whatever there's left of WDC battle will be surely completely gone after this change.
Yeah I wonder if Toto and Horner had a disagreement over it, then Toto got Lewis to talk about it for maximum effect to get the wheels in motion to have it banned.Just_a_fan wrote: ↑12 May 2021, 13:00Horner said that Toto had previously discussed it with him. Also that Hamilton is likely to have picked it up elsewhere. Which seems fair as there's no way a driver can spot it on another car on track. The teams will have been watching on board footage, seen it and discussed it.
It's quite noticeable isn't it. Really would love to see some similar onboards of other cars for comparison.SiLo wrote: ↑12 May 2021, 12:59Seems like a lot of flex for something that wasn't even their high downforce wing, so there would be less drag penalty anyway. Theoretically a higher drag, higher downforce wing would flex even more.Juzh wrote: ↑12 May 2021, 08:51Bending as seen in spain:
https://streamable.com/6xb9xv
If it's true this flex is worth 3 tenths and they have to get rid of it then whatever there's left of WDC battle will be surely completely gone after this change.
And that’s exactly why they are changing the tests... “Movable Aero Devices” are banned by the rules, ideally all of the aero parts will be rigid, but that it isn’t possible, therefore the FIA came out with these tests.jjn9128 wrote:Bodywork flexibility is entirely legal so long as they pass the FIA pull tests. It's typical Mercedes/Wolff/Hamilton/F1 in general politics. They're "happy to be challenged" but as soon as they are they start whining about the legality of their opposition, Ferrari PU all over again, never shown/proved to be illegal. If their wing is bending more, just do better to pass the tests then have some bending. Simple really.
It’s not about heat... The rear wing would be 100% rigid if they wanted to... It is the materials used in the construction, the teams have knowledge and ability to include in the design a non-linear movement under load... Meaning that the wing bends “X” in linear way until a certain weight and then bends “Y” in a different ratio after that weight... Therefore passing the static test.Dejaeger22 wrote:At the back of the car there’s a lot heat from exhausts. Maybe the endplates of the rear wing become less stiff because of the heat and therefore enhance the bending effect. When the car is cool in the FIA test, the wing deforms according the rules. I know there was a rumor that RB was doing something similar in the past with the floor splitter during their V8 dominance.
Yeah, but can’t you use the heat to achieve this effect?SmallSoldier wrote: ↑12 May 2021, 14:07It’s not about heat... The rear wing would be 100% rigid if they wanted to... It is the materials used in the construction, the teams have knowledge and ability to include in the design a non-linear movement under load... Meaning that the wing bends “X” in linear way until a certain weight and then bends “Y” in a different ratio after that weight... Therefore passing the static test.Dejaeger22 wrote:At the back of the car there’s a lot heat from exhausts. Maybe the endplates of the rear wing become less stiff because of the heat and therefore enhance the bending effect. When the car is cool in the FIA test, the wing deforms according the rules. I know there was a rumor that RB was doing something similar in the past with the floor splitter during their V8 dominance.
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That would be very hard to account with different track's varying wide open throttle time.Dejaeger22 wrote: ↑12 May 2021, 14:42Yeah, but can’t you use the heat to achieve this effect?SmallSoldier wrote: ↑12 May 2021, 14:07It’s not about heat... The rear wing would be 100% rigid if they wanted to... It is the materials used in the construction, the teams have knowledge and ability to include in the design a non-linear movement under load... Meaning that the wing bends “X” in linear way until a certain weight and then bends “Y” in a different ratio after that weight... Therefore passing the static test.Dejaeger22 wrote:At the back of the car there’s a lot heat from exhausts. Maybe the endplates of the rear wing become less stiff because of the heat and therefore enhance the bending effect. When the car is cool in the FIA test, the wing deforms according the rules. I know there was a rumor that RB was doing something similar in the past with the floor splitter during their V8 dominance.
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Probably, but doing it via carbon layup and design is much easier, and produces a much more consistent result.Dejaeger22 wrote: ↑12 May 2021, 14:42Yeah, but can’t you use the heat to achieve this effect?SmallSoldier wrote: ↑12 May 2021, 14:07It’s not about heat... The rear wing would be 100% rigid if they wanted to... It is the materials used in the construction, the teams have knowledge and ability to include in the design a non-linear movement under load... Meaning that the wing bends “X” in linear way until a certain weight and then bends “Y” in a different ratio after that weight... Therefore passing the static test.Dejaeger22 wrote:At the back of the car there’s a lot heat from exhausts. Maybe the endplates of the rear wing become less stiff because of the heat and therefore enhance the bending effect. When the car is cool in the FIA test, the wing deforms according the rules. I know there was a rumor that RB was doing something similar in the past with the floor splitter during their V8 dominance.
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Yea, using heat would be playing with fire (pun intended). You run the risk of differential heating do to cross winds, overheating, and a litany of other issues.El Scorchio wrote: ↑12 May 2021, 15:45If it were dependent on heat, wouldn't there also then be a risk of a huge structural failure to the rear of the car at maximum speed or going into a heavy braking zone if the components in question got too hot? I can't see any of the teams risking anything so potentially dangerous as that.