2021 Styrian Grand Prix - Spielberg, June 25 - 27

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El Scorchio
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nacho wrote:
27 Jun 2021, 20:20
Any explanation why Bottas and Perez were so slow compared to team mates?
Part strategy, part just not as fast.

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El Scorchio wrote:
27 Jun 2021, 20:34
nacho wrote:
27 Jun 2021, 20:20
Any explanation why Bottas and Perez were so slow compared to team mates?
Part strategy, part just not as fast.
dont forget they were stuck behind Norris and lost 10sec to Lewis

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siskue2005 wrote:
27 Jun 2021, 20:42
El Scorchio wrote:
27 Jun 2021, 20:34
nacho wrote:
27 Jun 2021, 20:20
Any explanation why Bottas and Perez were so slow compared to team mates?
Part strategy, part just not as fast.
dont forget they were stuck behind Norris and lost 10sec to Lewis
Absolutely- forgot about Norris!
Criminal, given the stellar season he’s having.

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Actually, that was very handily done by Lewis. Giving Norris the chance to come back at Sergio at the end of the back straight. That Perez let that happen killed his race, and then the pit error killed it again.

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ringo wrote:
27 Jun 2021, 18:39
A car doesnt need to have spare races to go in the end to be dominant.
The car need only be the best car at most of the tracks and be practically untouchable. which is what we a re seeing currently with the RB16 even from winter testing.
Fast car, goes well at all tracks so far, easy to get into the right setup window, no drama. Front row qualifying everytime.
The cars are not even. If had a choice to pick one I am picking the redbull. Zero compromises with that car compared to the slouchy and diva like W12.
In other words Adrian Newey (and his team) Strikes again. Mercedes seem a bit lost as what to do with the W12 setup wise and seem to second guess themselves when it comes to pitstops. What we have is a classic drivers title race that won't boil down to who has the best car but which driver is the most consistent during the season, with few mistakes made as possible. Lewis has been making more mistakes than he usually does, Max so far looks relaxed. I don't have a favourite between Max and Lewis, I'm just enjoying the fight between the two of them.

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Max was really lucky to avoid any kind of penalty or reprimand for this.


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zibby43 wrote:
27 Jun 2021, 21:45
Max was really lucky to avoid any kind of penalty or reprimand for this.

https://twitter.com/adamcooperf1/status ... 92900?s=21
I did wonder if that was a very sensible thing to do at the time actually- especially in light of the other day. I can’t blame him for being excited though, because I think today was they day they realised both titles this season are theirs to lose.

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El Scorchio wrote:
27 Jun 2021, 21:54
zibby43 wrote:
27 Jun 2021, 21:45
Max was really lucky to avoid any kind of penalty or reprimand for this.

https://twitter.com/adamcooperf1/status ... 92900?s=21
I did wonder if that was a very sensible thing to do at the time actually- especially in light of the other day. I can’t blame him for being excited though, because I think today was they day they realised both titles this season are theirs to lose.
Agree on both counts.

Merc need to ditch the simulations and figure out a way to run their car and set it up around less rear wing.

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El Scorchio wrote:
27 Jun 2021, 21:54
zibby43 wrote:
27 Jun 2021, 21:45
Max was really lucky to avoid any kind of penalty or reprimand for this.

https://twitter.com/adamcooperf1/status ... 92900?s=21
I did wonder if that was a very sensible thing to do at the time actually- especially in light of the other day. I can’t blame him for being excited though, because I think today was they day they realised both titles this season are theirs to lose.
I'm all about driver safety, but if a driver wants to do a burnout across the line, and off the racing line, then whatever. It makes the show better.

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I think today RBR for the first time really showed that the championship is theirs to lose. Imo for the first time this season the RB16B really looked like the best car on the grid

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zibby43 wrote:
27 Jun 2021, 22:02
El Scorchio wrote:
27 Jun 2021, 21:54
zibby43 wrote:
27 Jun 2021, 21:45
Max was really lucky to avoid any kind of penalty or reprimand for this.

https://twitter.com/adamcooperf1/status ... 92900?s=21
I did wonder if that was a very sensible thing to do at the time actually- especially in light of the other day. I can’t blame him for being excited though, because I think today was they day they realised both titles this season are theirs to lose.
Agree on both counts.

Merc need to ditch the simulations and figure out a way to run their car and set it up around less rear wing.
If they can! It could just be an inherent lack of downforce with these floor regs that they can’t claw back without running a bigger wing. Looks like checkmate at the moment!

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El Scorchio wrote:
27 Jun 2021, 22:18
zibby43 wrote:
27 Jun 2021, 22:02
El Scorchio wrote:
27 Jun 2021, 21:54


I did wonder if that was a very sensible thing to do at the time actually- especially in light of the other day. I can’t blame him for being excited though, because I think today was they day they realised both titles this season are theirs to lose.
Agree on both counts.

Merc need to ditch the simulations and figure out a way to run their car and set it up around less rear wing.
If they can! It could just be an inherent lack of downforce with these floor regs that they can’t claw back without running a bigger wing. Looks like checkmate at the moment!
The thing that puzzles me is that they’ve run trimmed out before this season (with Hamilton) and made it work. In Portimao, Hamilton ran less RW and had the straight line speed necessary in the race plus still kept the tires alive.

Merc’s simulations had Hamilton safe from losing the lead in France. They say the simulations favor more rear wing. Time for them to go against the simulations and stop expecting a different result with the same barn door RW approach.

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zibby43 wrote:
27 Jun 2021, 22:02
El Scorchio wrote:
27 Jun 2021, 21:54
zibby43 wrote:
27 Jun 2021, 21:45
Max was really lucky to avoid any kind of penalty or reprimand for this.

https://twitter.com/adamcooperf1/status ... 92900?s=21
I did wonder if that was a very sensible thing to do at the time actually- especially in light of the other day. I can’t blame him for being excited though, because I think today was they day they realised both titles this season are theirs to lose.
Agree on both counts.

Merc need to ditch the simulations and figure out a way to run their car and set it up around less rear wing.
They're running the rear wing because they can't replace the rear downforce lost to the floor changes any other way. As they aren't developing the W12 at all this year, they are basically screwed.
If you are more fortunate than others, build a larger table not a taller fence.

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Yep, remember the problems they had during winter testing? The car looked very unstable on the rear, that’s why they are using the so called barndoor. RBR is just more efficiently in creating downforce at this point or so it seems

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zibby43 wrote:
27 Jun 2021, 22:25
El Scorchio wrote:
27 Jun 2021, 22:18
zibby43 wrote:
27 Jun 2021, 22:02


Agree on both counts.

Merc need to ditch the simulations and figure out a way to run their car and set it up around less rear wing.
If they can! It could just be an inherent lack of downforce with these floor regs that they can’t claw back without running a bigger wing. Looks like checkmate at the moment!
The thing that puzzles me is that they’ve run trimmed out before this season (with Hamilton) and made it work. In Portimao, Hamilton ran less RW and had the straight line speed necessary in the race plus still kept the tires alive.

Merc’s simulations had Hamilton safe from losing the lead in France. They say the simulations favor more rear wing. Time for them to go against the simulations and stop expecting a different result with the same barn door RW approach.
It’s a good point. Of course RBR have made improvements since then as well, though. My feeling as well is they are a bit too ‘by the numbers’ sometimes at MB (with pit strategy as well) and maybe need to trust their own eyes and instincts a little more.