2021 Ferrari F1 Team

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JPower wrote:
Sun Jul 18, 2021 5:06 pm
Both drivers are pissed. Sainz didn't say a word on the cool down lap.
I can understand, it kinda feels like a race-win stolen from the team. It's so painful even as just a supporter, as although the car is clearly slower you just hold on to hope since they are first, and then that hope is inevitably crushed into so many pieces ruthlessly like a compressive load test on a brittle material. Literally the only driver faster in the whole field was Hamilton.

Great result for the team P2, P6.
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El Scorchio wrote:
Sun Jul 18, 2021 6:29 pm
Gutted for Charles today. Where did that stellar pace come from though? Tyres, pressures, ambient or track temps?
This is a great question, if they can figure it out and have more races like this it will be cherry on top of the rebound season.
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politburo wrote:
Sun Jul 18, 2021 6:32 pm
El Scorchio wrote:
Sun Jul 18, 2021 6:29 pm
Gutted for Charles today. Where did that stellar pace come from though? Tyres, pressures, ambient or track temps?
This is a great question, if they can figure it out and have more races like this it will be cherry on top of the rebound season.
Their race pace has gotten better progressively, not from zero to today’s pace. They’ve had much better performance the last couple of races than in the first half of the season.

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LM10 wrote:
Sun Jul 18, 2021 6:35 pm
politburo wrote:
Sun Jul 18, 2021 6:32 pm
El Scorchio wrote:
Sun Jul 18, 2021 6:29 pm
Gutted for Charles today. Where did that stellar pace come from though? Tyres, pressures, ambient or track temps?
This is a great question, if they can figure it out and have more races like this it will be cherry on top of the rebound season.
Their race pace has gotten better progressively, not from zero to today’s pace. They’ve had much better performance the last couple of races than in the first half of the season.
If they keep up this progression, they could affect the outcome of the title races even though they won't be directly involved. Imagine a few "stolen" race wins near the end of the season. Could get very spicy.
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LM10 wrote:
Sun Jul 18, 2021 6:35 pm
politburo wrote:
Sun Jul 18, 2021 6:32 pm
El Scorchio wrote:
Sun Jul 18, 2021 6:29 pm
Gutted for Charles today. Where did that stellar pace come from though? Tyres, pressures, ambient or track temps?
This is a great question, if they can figure it out and have more races like this it will be cherry on top of the rebound season.
Their race pace has gotten better progressively, not from zero to today’s pace. They’ve had much better performance the last couple of races than in the first half of the season.
The race pace has been strong yes but combining that with the whole weekend will be key, seems they have hit the sweet spot for the race pace. This, Imola and Monaco are truly the only races where we can say the entire weekend has been strong imo. I say this because It's already a great season compared to the last, the team has already scored more points than they did all of last year, but if they can contend for 2nd or 3rd place (maybe) in the races it will be a cherry on top...
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How was HAM able to pull out THAT much more pace in the final 12 laps when the rest of the race, including BOT for ALL of the race was pretty consistent? It wasn’t .3, .4 seconds per lap… it was almost a full second. Thats huge.

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Just_a_fan wrote:
Sun Jul 18, 2021 6:37 pm
LM10 wrote:
Sun Jul 18, 2021 6:35 pm
politburo wrote:
Sun Jul 18, 2021 6:32 pm


This is a great question, if they can figure it out and have more races like this it will be cherry on top of the rebound season.
Their race pace has gotten better progressively, not from zero to today’s pace. They’ve had much better performance the last couple of races than in the first half of the season.
If they keep up this progression, they could affect the outcome of the title races even though they won't be directly involved. Imagine a few "stolen" race wins near the end of the season. Could get very spicy.
You might be right there!

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codetower wrote:
Sun Jul 18, 2021 6:51 pm
How was HAM able to pull out THAT much more pace in the final 12 laps when the rest of the race, including BOT for ALL of the race was pretty consistent? It wasn’t .3, .4 seconds per lap… it was almost a full second. Thats huge.
As usual, he was able to manage his tires better than Bottas. He did a longer stint on the mediums so his tires were fine by the end of the race. Once Bottas said he wasn't going to make it until the end of the race at his pace, it was over.

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codetower wrote:
Sun Jul 18, 2021 6:51 pm
How was HAM able to pull out THAT much more pace in the final 12 laps when the rest of the race, including BOT for ALL of the race was pretty consistent? It wasn’t .3, .4 seconds per lap… it was almost a full second. Thats huge.
Hamilton always manage to put heat into the tires much easier than the rest, his aggressive driving style is a good match with the stone hard tires used in last stint, when people struggle to put them into their operating window, Lewis reach that window easily

And he´s Hamilton
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Carl Mccoy wrote:
Sun Jul 18, 2021 6:15 pm
Great race by Ferrari. I don't expect such good pace. Charles is best thing happen to Ferrari since Michael.
When he wins a title for Ferrari I could agree. Meanwhile Alonso did much more for Ferrari than Charles has done yet (fighting for titles with an inferior car)

But I agree he´s one of those special drivers who can do things wich didn´t look possible

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politburo wrote:
Sun Jul 18, 2021 6:32 pm
El Scorchio wrote:
Sun Jul 18, 2021 6:29 pm
Gutted for Charles today. Where did that stellar pace come from though? Tyres, pressures, ambient or track temps?
This is a great question, if they can figure it out and have more races like this it will be cherry on top of the rebound season.
It feels like most of the magic for Leclerc was in that medium tyre. He was brilliant on that and indicated he could have gone longer. I have to admit I don't know how Sainz fared on the same tyre, but driving in the lead is different to driving in the pack. For whatever reason the hard seemed to work better for Hamilton. Maybe he was the one able to take that tyre into the sweet spot like Leclerc on the medium

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Andres125sx wrote:
Mon Jul 19, 2021 11:50 am
Carl Mccoy wrote:
Sun Jul 18, 2021 6:15 pm
Great race by Ferrari. I don't expect such good pace. Charles is best thing happen to Ferrari since Michael.
When he wins a title for Ferrari I could agree. Meanwhile Alonso did much more for Ferrari than Charles has done yet (fighting for titles with an inferior car)

But I agree he´s one of those special drivers who can do things wich didn´t look possible
I didn’t remember Alonso won the WDC with the Ferrari F14T 😅

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El Scorchio wrote:
Mon Jul 19, 2021 12:00 pm
politburo wrote:
Sun Jul 18, 2021 6:32 pm
El Scorchio wrote:
Sun Jul 18, 2021 6:29 pm
Gutted for Charles today. Where did that stellar pace come from though? Tyres, pressures, ambient or track temps?
This is a great question, if they can figure it out and have more races like this it will be cherry on top of the rebound season.
It feels like most of the magic for Leclerc was in that medium tyre. He was brilliant on that and indicated he could have gone longer. I have to admit I don't know how Sainz fared on the same tyre, but driving in the lead is different to driving in the pack. For whatever reason the hard seemed to work better for Hamilton. Maybe he was the one able to take that tyre into the sweet spot like Leclerc on the medium
When Ricciardo pitted, Sainz had clean air and for a few laps was the quickest car on track until Bottas started pushing.

He was very quick in clean air as usual.

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JPower wrote:
Mon Jul 19, 2021 1:56 pm
El Scorchio wrote:
Mon Jul 19, 2021 12:00 pm
politburo wrote:
Sun Jul 18, 2021 6:32 pm


This is a great question, if they can figure it out and have more races like this it will be cherry on top of the rebound season.
It feels like most of the magic for Leclerc was in that medium tyre. He was brilliant on that and indicated he could have gone longer. I have to admit I don't know how Sainz fared on the same tyre, but driving in the lead is different to driving in the pack. For whatever reason the hard seemed to work better for Hamilton. Maybe he was the one able to take that tyre into the sweet spot like Leclerc on the medium
When Ricciardo pitted, Sainz had clean air and for a few laps was the quickest car on track until Bottas started pushing.

He was very quick in clean air as usual.
Very promising then!

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El Scorchio wrote:
Mon Jul 19, 2021 12:00 pm
politburo wrote:
Sun Jul 18, 2021 6:32 pm
El Scorchio wrote:
Sun Jul 18, 2021 6:29 pm
Gutted for Charles today. Where did that stellar pace come from though? Tyres, pressures, ambient or track temps?
This is a great question, if they can figure it out and have more races like this it will be cherry on top of the rebound season.
It feels like most of the magic for Leclerc was in that medium tyre. He was brilliant on that and indicated he could have gone longer. I have to admit I don't know how Sainz fared on the same tyre, but driving in the lead is different to driving in the pack. For whatever reason the hard seemed to work better for Hamilton. Maybe he was the one able to take that tyre into the sweet spot like Leclerc on the medium
Yep, the clean air definitely helps. Binotto made reference to Carlos driving faster with the clear track ahead. Also, I believe Leclerc was also posting personal best on the hards as well; But no matter, the SF21 doesn’t have the speed of the Mercedes.

As heart breaking as it was to see Charles lose out on P1 in the final 2 laps, it WAS to a Mercedes, with Hamilton driving. It definitely could have been worse. I’m very excited about the rest of the season and beyond. And Hungary looks like a track where the Ferrari could be strong as well.