2021 Dutch Grand Prix - Zandvoort Sept 3 - 5

[NathanOlder]

grubschumi has on red and blue tinted 3d glasses when it comes to this season.
Even Ray Charles can see the redbull is the best car to drive this season. It has no weaknesses and is fast everywhere. That is why it is glued to the front row for every start.
Max of course is driving brilliantly, and the only way Hamilton has a chance of winning this title is errors on Max's part, bad luck, and penalties.
If Lewis turns champion this year, it will be because redbull lost it. Yes he would have had to drive his nuts off like he did today to be in with a shout, but that's as much as he can do. I do not see the W12 having the upper hand in any of the races going forward.
2 more DNF would do the trick , and even then Max still has the best chance with his RB16B.

Landos quote today was quite telling, when asked about holding off Perez, his reply was "He's driving the fastest car on the grid"

So then it seems that this year that because Red Bull has the fastest car its OK to destroy it or drive aggressively against it. In previous years Mercedes was so dominant everyone just moved aside. Lando drove into Perez today rather unnecessarily. Lando can be quite the punk too, lacks "respect" . Maybe he's changed a little bit since being mugged, I dunno.

To put it in Lewis and Totos diction, the RB16b is a diva. If it were easy to drive RedBull would be locking out the front row every single race. Bottas is much more comfortable with the W12 than Perez is with the RB16b, that much is obvious. To say that Max has been dominant thanks to a dominant car is rubbish. The Mercs are faster in a straight line. They've got some gray area tech in their plenum, but also go after bendy wings so that they can maintain a straightline advantage or at least claw back what they lack in the corners. Both cars suit different tracks. At the end of the day a car can't drive itself, it can only go as fast as its driver can make it without flying off the track.

Max hasn't been dominant, he's only just retaken the lead in the championship. No one is dominating this season, I thought that was clear to see for everyone.

As for the RB16b and the W12, over the the 13 races we have had, the RB16b has been the best car more often than not! Therefore it means it has been the best car so far this season.

[Ryar]

Landos quote today was quite telling, when asked about holding off Perez, his reply was "He's driving the fastest car on the grid"

So then it seems that this year that because Red Bull has the fastest car its OK to destroy it or drive aggressively against it. In previous years Mercedes was so dominant everyone just moved aside. Lando drove into Perez today rather unnecessarily. Lando can be quite the punk too, lacks "respect" . Maybe he's changed a little bit since being mugged, I dunno.

To put it in Lewis and Totos diction, the RB16b is a diva. If it were easy to drive RedBull would be locking out the front row every single race. Bottas is much more comfortable with the W12 than Perez is with the RB16b, that much is obvious. To say that Max has been dominant thanks to a dominant car is rubbish. The Mercs are faster in a straight line. They've got some gray area tech in their plenum, but also go after bendy wings so that they can maintain a straightline advantage or at least claw back what they lack in the corners. Both cars suit different tracks. At the end of the day a car can't drive itself, it can only go as fast as its driver can make it without flying off the track.

Max hasn't been dominant, he's only just retaken the lead in the championship. No one is dominating this season, I thought that was clear to see for everyone.

As for the RB16b and the W12, over the the 13 races we have had, the RB16b has been the best car more often than not! Therefore it means it has been the best car so far this season.

Despite having taken out in two races and an unfortunate tyre blow out, two of them from leading and one from a potential second place, yes, "he's only just retaken the lead". Couple that with his championship rival binning the car multiple times, to be revived with a red flag. Now see what that, "just retaken" means. One can say, Max is dominant because he hasn't made rookies mistakes like his championship rival and misfortune playing it's part. Both drivers have able machinery to do the job, but only one has done near 100% job, yet barely leading (or shall we say, "just retaken the lead"), thanks to, "conveniently ignorable" above factors.

[aran.vtec]

not sure if this has been covered but did anyone notice the inconstancy with the pit stops with the new rule in place?

I noticed that merc had a 2.2sec pitstop then also they had a super slow one for not other reason then to wait for the green light

[F1NAC]

Great track for time attack but rubbish for racing.

[NathanOlder]

Great track for time attack but rubbish for racing.

Yeah unfortunately thats Zandvoort, we could be saying the same about Monza next week as overtaking there may be oh so easy that it can ruin the racing in a different way. Hopefully not, and hopefully Mclaren can be closer to the front again like they were in Austria.

[qatmix]

Great track, dull race. Max and Lewis were the class of the field as per normal.

Max is doing well with the pressure of having the best car and being favourite. It would take something quite exceptional for Hamilton to beat him to the championship.

[Xray]

So then it seems that this year that because Red Bull has the fastest car its OK to destroy it or drive aggressively against it. In previous years Mercedes was so dominant everyone just moved aside. Lando drove into Perez today rather unnecessarily. Lando can be quite the punk too, lacks "respect" . Maybe he's changed a little bit since being mugged, I dunno.

To put it in Lewis and Totos diction, the RB16b is a diva. If it were easy to drive RedBull would be locking out the front row every single race. Bottas is much more comfortable with the W12 than Perez is with the RB16b, that much is obvious. To say that Max has been dominant thanks to a dominant car is rubbish. The Mercs are faster in a straight line. They've got some gray area tech in their plenum, but also go after bendy wings so that they can maintain a straightline advantage or at least claw back what they lack in the corners. Both cars suit different tracks. At the end of the day a car can't drive itself, it can only go as fast as its driver can make it without flying off the track.

Max hasn't been dominant, he's only just retaken the lead in the championship. No one is dominating this season, I thought that was clear to see for everyone.

As for the RB16b and the W12, over the the 13 races we have had, the RB16b has been the best car more often than not! Therefore it means it has been the best car so far this season.

Despite having taken out in two races and an unfortunate tyre blow out, two of them from leading and one from a potential second place, yes, "he's only just retaken the lead". Couple that with his championship rival binning the car multiple times, to be revived with a red flag. Now see what that, "just retaken" means. One can say, Max is dominant because he hasn't made rookies mistakes like his championship rival and misfortune playing it's part. Both drivers have able machinery to do the job, but only one has done near 100% job, yet barely leading (or shall we say, "just retaken the lead"), thanks to, "conveniently ignorable" above factors.

Dominant is difficult to say, but with 7 to 4 wins, and at least 2 more chances, Silverstone and Baku, it would have been 9-4. On top of that the luck Hamilton had with for instance Imola, you can at least say that he (Max) has the upper hand...

[politburo]

Why does Stroll look so timid this season?. It is like he has very little aggression, staying behind Russell for ages in the race even when Russell didn't have DRS.

[Big Tea]

Track could do with being 8-10 seconds longer to avoid the qualli queue problems and lapped traffic, but there is no way they can do that without destroying it

[dxpetrov]

Max hasn't been dominant, he's only just retaken the lead in the championship. No one is dominating this season, I thought that was clear to see for everyone.

As for the RB16b and the W12, over the the 13 races we have had, the RB16b has been the best car more often than not! Therefore it means it has been the best car so far this season.

Despite having taken out in two races and an unfortunate tyre blow out, two of them from leading and one from a potential second place, yes, "he's only just retaken the lead". Couple that with his championship rival binning the car multiple times, to be revived with a red flag. Now see what that, "just retaken" means. One can say, Max is dominant because he hasn't made rookies mistakes like his championship rival and misfortune playing it's part. Both drivers have able machinery to do the job, but only one has done near 100% job, yet barely leading (or shall we say, "just retaken the lead"), thanks to, "conveniently ignorable" above factors.

Dominant is difficult to say, but with 7 to 4 wins, and at least 2 more chances, Silverstone and Baku, it would have been 9-3. On top of that the luck Hamilton had with for instance Imola, you can at least say that he (Max) has the upper hand...

Corrected it for you.

[grubschumi13]

Max hasn't been dominant, he's only just retaken the lead in the championship. No one is dominating this season, I thought that was clear to see for everyone.

As for the RB16b and the W12, over the the 13 races we have had, the RB16b has been the best car more often than not! Therefore it means it has been the best car so far this season.

Despite having taken out in two races and an unfortunate tyre blow out, two of them from leading and one from a potential second place, yes, "he's only just retaken the lead". Couple that with his championship rival binning the car multiple times, to be revived with a red flag. Now see what that, "just retaken" means. One can say, Max is dominant because he hasn't made rookies mistakes like his championship rival and misfortune playing it's part. Both drivers have able machinery to do the job, but only one has done near 100% job, yet barely leading (or shall we say, "just retaken the lead"), thanks to, "conveniently ignorable" above factors.

Dominant is difficult to say, but with 7 to 4 wins, and at least 2 more chances, Silverstone and Baku, it would have been 9-4. On top of that the luck Hamilton had with for instance Imola, you can at least say that he (Max) has the upper hand...

Max started on Pole and should have won Bahrain and Baku
Hamilton started on Pole and should have won Imola. Toto said after the race they had the quicker car
Hamilton started on Pole and should have won France. Toto again said they had some margin on RBR
Hamilton started on Pole and should have won Hungary.
Max was gifted Monaco.
Austria and Styria are the same race. In a normal season we would not have 2 races at the same venue which was in RBR's favour.

It really should be Hamilton 6 wins and Max 5 wins in 12 rounds.

[cplchanb]

not sure if this has been covered but did anyone notice the inconstancy with the pit stops with the new rule in place?

I noticed that merc had a 2.2sec pitstop then also they had a super slow one for not other reason then to wait for the green light

The front right was slow to get off

[NathanOlder]

Despite having taken out in two races and an unfortunate tyre blow out, two of them from leading and one from a potential second place, yes, "he's only just retaken the lead". Couple that with his championship rival binning the car multiple times, to be revived with a red flag. Now see what that, "just retaken" means. One can say, Max is dominant because he hasn't made rookies mistakes like his championship rival and misfortune playing it's part. Both drivers have able machinery to do the job, but only one has done near 100% job, yet barely leading (or shall we say, "just retaken the lead"), thanks to, "conveniently ignorable" above factors.

Dominant is difficult to say, but with 7 to 4 wins, and at least 2 more chances, Silverstone and Baku, it would have been 9-4. On top of that the luck Hamilton had with for instance Imola, you can at least say that he (Max) has the upper hand...

Max started on Pole and should have won Bahrain and Baku
Hamilton started on Pole and should have won Imola. Toto said after the race they had the quicker car
Hamilton started on Pole and should have won France. Toto again said they had some margin on RBR
Hamilton started on Pole and should have won Hungary.
Max was gifted Monaco.
Austria and Styria are the same race. In a normal season we would not have 2 races at the same venue which was in RBR's favour.

It really should be Hamilton 6 wins and Max 5 wins in 12 rounds.

Not far wrong, just that France is totally wrong.

[SiLo]

Dominant is difficult to say, but with 7 to 4 wins, and at least 2 more chances, Silverstone and Baku, it would have been 9-4. On top of that the luck Hamilton had with for instance Imola, you can at least say that he (Max) has the upper hand...

Max started on Pole and should have won Bahrain and Baku
Hamilton started on Pole and should have won Imola. Toto said after the race they had the quicker car
Hamilton started on Pole and should have won France. Toto again said they had some margin on RBR
Hamilton started on Pole and should have won Hungary.
Max was gifted Monaco.
Austria and Styria are the same race. In a normal season we would not have 2 races at the same venue which was in RBR's favour.

It really should be Hamilton 6 wins and Max 5 wins in 12 rounds.

Not far wrong, just that France is totally wrong.

I think that was just an excellent strategy call.

[grubschumi13]

Max started on Pole and should have won Bahrain and Baku
Hamilton started on Pole and should have won Imola. Toto said after the race they had the quicker car
Hamilton started on Pole and should have won France. Toto again said they had some margin on RBR
Hamilton started on Pole and should have won Hungary.
Max was gifted Monaco.
Austria and Styria are the same race. In a normal season we would not have 2 races at the same venue which was in RBR's favour.

It really should be Hamilton 6 wins and Max 5 wins in 12 rounds.

Not far wrong, just that France is totally wrong.

I think that was just an excellent strategy call.

It was a great strategy call that won France. But I must Correct Hamilton did not start on Pole in France.