Belgian GP 2011 - Spa-Francorchamps

[raymondu999]

I am aware of that technicality; but I was unclear in what I meant. I meant the "Eau Rouge complex" as it were. The whole monstrous uphill "chicane" as it were.

[MrBlacky]

I think the thing is that Eau Rouge is a left-right-left. There are two direction changes where having DRS on would imbalance the car due to less rear grip

Eau Rouge is the simple left hander at the bottom of the hill. The tricky climbing right hander is Raidillon. Unfortunately common usage ignores Raidillon and calls it all Eau Rouge.

Afaik Eau Rouge is the Left-Right one.



The left-hander on the top of the hill ist Raidillon.

[beelsebob]

I think the thing is that Eau Rouge is a left-right-left. There are two direction changes where having DRS on would imbalance the car due to less rear grip

Eau Rouge is the simple left hander at the bottom of the hill. The tricky climbing right hander is Raidillon. Unfortunately common usage ignores Raidillon and calls it all Eau Rouge.

Actually, the left-right chicane is Eau Rouge, the left hander after, at the top of the hill is Raidillon, and it gets ignored because it's way less tricky.

[HampusA]

Depends on what car you are in

[dave34m]

I was at the circuit recently and saw a map in the pit building showing Eau Rouge as only the bottom of the hill. This is what it says on Wikipedia,

Properly speaking, the Eau Rouge corner is only the left-hander at the bottom. The following right-hander that leads steeply uphill, which was introduced in 1939 to shortcut the original hairpin "Ancienne Douane", is called "Raidillon"

[beelsebob]

I was at the circuit recently and saw a map in the pit building showing Eau Rouge as only the bottom of the hill. This is what it says on Wikipedia,

Properly speaking, the Eau Rouge corner is only the left-hander at the bottom. The following right-hander that leads steeply uphill, which was introduced in 1939 to shortcut the original hairpin "Ancienne Douane", is called "Raidillon"

Wikipedia gives no citation for this though, a quick look through the images on google shows that 90% of them refer to the left and the right as eau rouge, and the left again as raidilon. I've been trying to load the spa webpage's map to see what they say, but it appears to be horribly broken.

[dave34m]

I was at the circuit recently and saw a map in the pit building showing Eau Rouge as only the bottom of the hill. This is what it says on Wikipedia,

Properly speaking, the Eau Rouge corner is only the left-hander at the bottom. The following right-hander that leads steeply uphill, which was introduced in 1939 to shortcut the original hairpin "Ancienne Douane", is called "Raidillon"

Wikipedia gives no citation for this though, a quick look through the images on google shows that 90% of them refer to the left and the right as eau rouge, and the left again as raidilon. I've been trying to load the spa webpage's map to see what they say, but it appears to be horribly broken.

This is the problem, modern interpetation says that Eau Rouge is Left Right but clearly Eau Rouge was the left leading to the old hairpin and Raidillion was the right hand bend that was added to remove the haip pin as they wanted to make the track faster

here is some more about Raidillon

The Raidillon of Eau Rouge is the web's most famous circuit of Spa-Francorchamps . When the corner was built in 1939, it was intended to track the Ardennes one of the fastest in Europe.
The route
This is a very steep side through which a right turn blind widening, followed by a false flat and then a slight left turn leading to the straight line of Combes. The drivers negotiate this chain thoroughly, a passenger car going 160 to 180 km / h, an F1 to nearly 300 km / h.

[dave34m]

Just found this as well

http://www.circuitsofthepast.nl/raidillonenglish.html

[dave34m]

I was talking to some locsls at last years race and they told me turn 11 was called Speakers Corner, has anyone else ever heard of this, I can find no mention of a name for this corner. Its the corner between Bruxelles and Pouhon.

[Just_a_fan]

I think the thing is that Eau Rouge is a left-right-left. There are two direction changes where having DRS on would imbalance the car due to less rear grip

Eau Rouge is the simple left hander at the bottom of the hill. The tricky climbing right hander is Raidillon. Unfortunately common usage ignores Raidillon and calls it all Eau Rouge.

Actually, the left-right chicane is Eau Rouge, the left hander after, at the top of the hill is Raidillon, and it gets ignored because it's way less tricky.

Incorrect, sorry. Left hander is Eau Rouge, right hander is Raidillon and the left kink on to the Kemmel straight is unnamed.

[dave34m]

Yep, seems that the above track map is incorrect as are a lot of other maps I have seen.
Eau Rouge is 3, raidillon is 4 and 5 is unnamed or maybe a part of raidillon, I know David Couthard reads this forum so hopefully he will put this right during the weekend, maybe, or not, whatever

[raymondu999]

Where's Andrew with his FIA maps when we need them?

[Byronrhys]

http://fia.com/en-GB/sport/championship ... rcuit.aspx

[Gaara]

You can watch the inside GP here :

http://krnetworks.co.uk/belgiangp.html

[raymondu999]

Rivage has been widened, and the gravel trap on the exit (which Hamilton slid into last year) has been changed with tarmac. Sigh. http://www.gpupdate.net/en/f1-news/2664 ... ed-at-spa/