2016 British Grand Prix - Silverstone, 08-10 July

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ringo wrote:
Hamilton using a lot of tyres there.
Just used two new tyres. Different stints, but only two tyres.

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Just_a_fan wrote:Interesting observation, from FP2, on the BBC:
It is very interesting looking at the lap times here. Initially in the run, Hamilton is much, much faster than everyone else. He is one or more seconds quicker than everyone else on the soft tyre. As the run goes on he drops off to 1:35-1:37 very quickly whereas the Red Bulls keep up a decent pace in the 1:36s. On average there is only a tenth or two in with Hamilton and Ricciardo and Verstappen. It could potentially be interesting.
Here is a head to head comparison of HAM vs. RIC:
http://en.mclarenf-1.com/index.php?page ... l2=11&l=13
HAM pushed 2 laps and then dropped to more or less same laptimes. But it's only the softs where RBR can keep up. On medium tires Mercedes is in it's own league.

Softs: Merc>RBR>>Ferrari
Medium: Merc >>>RBR>Ferrari

On softs even Sainz was faster than both Ferraris, but I assume Ferrari will have much better deg. Did Ferrari run old PUs today? If not they will have hard times too keep up with RBR.

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We don't know what kind of fuel level they were running. Mercedes doesn't historically run with full tanks, somewhere around 3/4, Red Bull likes to run with full tanks.
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Did anyone do any runs on the hard tire today?
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Kimi did as far as I remember

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FI also used hards in longruns.

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I think Force India could be the dark horse this weekend. Not for a podium, but a nice chunk of points. They only ran the medium and hard tires today. The medium>soft delta is around 1.6 seconds. Take that off and their times would've been good enough for 5th or 6th.
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ringo wrote:
Hamilton using a lot of tyres there.
No, only 2 new sets of tyres. The rest oft his outings were on used ones.

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Hamilton supposedly had to do more running than planned and will share all data with Rosberg. So Rosberg lost some practice and will have to do more setup work tomorrow but Hamilton got additional mileage on his components - and if i'm not mistaken he's using his race powertrain, unlike Nico (who's engine was leaking).

So all talk about bad luck and possible team priorities is just a waste of time ... this was bad for both drivers.

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gandharva wrote:
Just_a_fan wrote:Interesting observation, from FP2, on the BBC:
It is very interesting looking at the lap times here. Initially in the run, Hamilton is much, much faster than everyone else. He is one or more seconds quicker than everyone else on the soft tyre. As the run goes on he drops off to 1:35-1:37 very quickly whereas the Red Bulls keep up a decent pace in the 1:36s. On average there is only a tenth or two in with Hamilton and Ricciardo and Verstappen. It could potentially be interesting.
Here is a head to head comparison of HAM vs. RIC:
http://en.mclarenf-1.com/index.php?page ... l2=11&l=13
HAM pushed 2 laps and then dropped to more or less same laptimes. But it's only the softs where RBR can keep up. On medium tires Mercedes is in it's own league.

Softs: Merc>RBR>>Ferrari
Medium: Merc >>>RBR>Ferrari

On softs even Sainz was faster than both Ferraris, but I assume Ferrari will have much better deg. Did Ferrari run old PUs today? If not they will have hard times too keep up with RBR.
Q: (Silvia Arias – Parabrisas) Maurizio, I would like to know which is for you, do you think, which is the main factor you have to work on to try to catch Ferrari or Red Bull?
MA: Mercedes, you mean? Because Mercedes is here, Red Bull is there. No, Red Bull is not in front of us. I think the main area – I said so last time – we need to improve in areas, mainly, and we need to understand the tyres a bit better. That’s what we have to do to catch them.
Looks like red bulls pr blitz is working on some people. The reality is red bull is third and capitalizing on other teams mistakes doesnt put them ahead in the big picture telling every reporter with a microphone they are faster than Ferrari also doesnt make it so

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giantfan10 wrote: Q: (Silvia Arias – Parabrisas) Maurizio, I would like to know which is for you, do you think, which is the main factor you have to work on to try to catch Ferrari or Red Bull?
MA: Mercedes, you mean? Because Mercedes is here, Red Bull is there. No, Red Bull is not in front of us. I think the main area – I said so last time – we need to improve in areas, mainly, and we need to understand the tyres a bit better. That’s what we have to do to catch them.
Looks like red bulls pr blitz is working on some people. The reality is red bull is third and capitalizing on other teams mistakes doesnt put them ahead in the big picture telling every reporter with a microphone they are faster than Ferrari also doesnt make it so
Does really even matter?

Ferrari are nowhere near as they'd believed or wanted to believe. Red Bull is stronger with their PU but is still very circuit and temperature dependent to consistently challenge. The next GP that Mercedes will be vulnerable in is Singapore, everything between here and there, they'd have to massively drop the ball.

All suffering is caused by wishing things were different, and any substantial difference may not manifest itself until 2017, and may not even impact the team we expect.
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TAG wrote:
giantfan10 wrote: Q: (Silvia Arias – Parabrisas) Maurizio, I would like to know which is for you, do you think, which is the main factor you have to work on to try to catch Ferrari or Red Bull?
MA: Mercedes, you mean? Because Mercedes is here, Red Bull is there. No, Red Bull is not in front of us. I think the main area – I said so last time – we need to improve in areas, mainly, and we need to understand the tyres a bit better. That’s what we have to do to catch them.
Looks like red bulls pr blitz is working on some people. The reality is red bull is third and capitalizing on other teams mistakes doesnt put them ahead in the big picture telling every reporter with a microphone they are faster than Ferrari also doesnt make it so
Does really even matter?

Ferrari are nowhere near as they'd believed or wanted to believe. Red Bull is stronger with their PU but is still very circuit and temperature dependent to consistently challenge. The next GP that Mercedes will be vulnerable in is Singapore, everything between here and there, they'd have to massively drop the ball.

All suffering is caused by wishing things were different, and any substantial difference may not manifest itself until 2017, and may not even impact the team we expect.
I was talking about Ferrari and red bull... nothing to discuss as far as Mercedes is concerned when it comes to pace .
My post was directed at the Red bull is ahead of Ferrari people

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giantfan10 wrote:I was talking about Ferrari and red bull... nothing to discuss as far as Mercedes is concerned when it comes to pace .
My post was directed at the Red bull is ahead of Ferrari people
Yes Ferrari not quick enough but it might be a bit like Barcelona - behind on long runs on Friday but quick in the race. Mercedes winning of course.

Silverstone is sort of better for both. RB - assumption that their aero is good enough so engine part is not a huge problem turned out to be true (practice). Ferrari can't blame slow part so much and engine is still important. If it doesn't work for them I'm sure we'll get very specific reason like in previous ones :wink: . Never before.

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flickerf1 wrote:Does anybody know of any good, free streams? NBCSN isn't broadcasting F1 due to Tour de France's Stage 7. Any response is appreciated. :D
When it comes to F1. Nothing is free. While you might have FTA coverage. It will undoubtedly be ruined by all the advertisements needed to pay for the license fee.

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Jester Maroc wrote:
iotar__ wrote:
Jester Maroc wrote:
Well, at least he is getting a bit of bad luck. With the amount that has been coming the way of LH its only logical to assume Nico needs to get some as well.
He needs to get team orders as well right?
Vasconia wrote: Well, last weekend with the rear suspension´s rupture and the penalty was good either. But its FP2 so its not that bad.
And brakes failure. Team orders in Monaco, crash in Spain. Punctures and fuel problem directly connected to going off track in Canada and above mentioned punctures (target position) . BTW if someone is quicker and better it's not bad lack, crashes, poor starts and poor pace aren't either.
Brakes failure (assuming you mean Austria) was Nico's fault, he didn't manage them properly, not bad luck. Team orders is also not bad luck, it meant he was too slow.
Brake by wire failure is not Nico's fault. As everybody knows, without the ers braking the rear brakes are too small for prolonged use. Certainly the failure only occured towards the end of the race and would have been sudden as if it had been a long time occurence then Lewis would have went by a lot sooner and Nico would have been lucky to make the end of the race.