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This car needs MOAR DOWNFORCE

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The performance was actually better than I thought. I was expecting it to be more like in Imola, where they completely destroyed the tires - today Russell at least could challenge Hamilton.

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I wonder how all of the Armchair Aero experts in X and this site are feeling about the Flexi wings clampdown. It did nothing to Mclaren. They need to have the “Parody Account” below their usernames on X. I bet almost all of them never worked in F1.

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search wrote:
01 Jun 2025, 17:31
The performance was actually better than I thought. I was expecting it to be more like in Imola, where they completely destroyed the tires - today Russell at least could challenge Hamilton.
Likewise, the pace was good at this track temps. These updates seem to be a step forward since I haven’t read anything negative about them. The concern now will be that new suspension. Seems that they need to work on it a bit more.

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OverheatedTurbo wrote:
01 Jun 2025, 17:42
search wrote:
01 Jun 2025, 17:31
The performance was actually better than I thought. I was expecting it to be more like in Imola, where they completely destroyed the tires - today Russell at least could challenge Hamilton.
Likewise, the pace was good at this track temps. These updates seem to be a step forward since I haven’t read anything negative about them. The concern now will be that new suspension. Seems that they need to work on it a bit more.

They hung in there very well I thought.

Russell was properly unlucky getting boxed in by Norris which allowed Hamilton through. That and sleeping when Leclerc overtook him on the inside of 5.
Following close just wrecks the tyres, so it was strategic to just sit and wait before deploying their strategy rather than jump off the cliff. Both Hamilton and Leclerc suffered, but Hamilton suffered a lot more than Russell.

This hasn't been the case of late. I'll take it.
"Interplay of triads"

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Not sure what people are expecting. This is where Merc are, and have been, this entire regulation. Lost, and suffering. To make it worse, reliability has now become a problem.

All eyes on, 26’. Doubtful there’s a race win in 25’.

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DGP123 wrote:
01 Jun 2025, 23:57
Not sure what people are expecting. This is where Merc are, and have been, this entire regulation. Lost, and suffering. To make it worse, reliability has now become a problem.

All eyes on, 26’. Doubtful there’s a race win in 25’.
The season is over. Nobody is catching the Mclaren. Not Ferrari with their “Silverstone” suspension, not Merc with another floor/suspension or Red Bull. Merc getting top 5 regularly is not enough for me. I want Merc to WIN. P2 is just the first loser.

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So while the 2 pessimists go their way. It's just been a rough triple header. But I still believe Merc will be ones to fully go toe-toe with Mclaren and beat them this season, it's just a matter of when. That's just me.

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vorticism wrote:
02 Jun 2025, 01:59
vorticism wrote:
24 May 2025, 07:03
...mixing cooling air inside the collector to manage temperatures within it; adding ambient air to the hot outflow of the brake disc.
Such as...
https://i.postimg.cc/B60tYCkr/w16rearou ... dilute.jpg

As stated, at the front of the W16's rear disc outflow collector there appears to be an additional feed. You’d expect the only thing feeding into the collector is the brake disc, and rely on insulation to control its temperature, as we’ve seen on RB and Mclaren ducts, yet the Merc collector looks like it has two infeeds: the brake disc and an additional duct. Adding ambient air inside the collector would dilute the brake outflow and cool the collector pesistently between braking events, and this would presumably negate the need for insulation.
@vorticism made an incredible post and it got me thinking, that what Mclaren is doing isn't all that crazy it's seems to be a lot more simple than other teams realize.

First on Mercedes, This maybe why Merc is suffering from rear tyre overheating a lot, all the heat from the brakes are just being escaped into the brake hub itself and then all the heat is practically being contained and wheel caps don't do them much favors either, you would want the air to escape effectively.

So in my opinion, and I could be very wrong here because it's fun discussing these interesting things:

What Merc probably they needs to do is to reverse and enlarge the brake ducts to allow for the brake cooling to process like the Mclaren, which more or less function like a "heat sink" similar to how an aftermarket, air-cooled cpu cooler operates. Cooling has a massive effect on straight-line speed but the performance you gain is substantial and these small brake ducts Mercedes run doesn't work at all with these tyres.

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Quantum wrote:
30 May 2025, 08:25
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29 May 2025, 23:14
Funny seeing 'tanking' strategies getting talked about in F1 circles these days. lol

Unless losing gives you some undeniably fantastic advantage, there's usually nothing worse you can do than abandoning all effort to create a winning culture. The best teams are almost always the best oiled teams, where everything is just gelling and everybody is confident.
It might be funny to some but the difference between 2nd and 4th gives an 10% aero testing limit, 32 more wind tunnel runs and 200 extra CFD items.
That's an undeniable advantage over having less when being 2nd on June 30th.
A top team highly confident in their design and engineering will accomplish more with less simulation/windtunnel runs than somebody else.

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How is it possible that the factory Merc car is having all these failures and meanwhile customer Mclaren is completely trouble free?

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Seanspeed wrote:
02 Jun 2025, 18:37
A top team highly confident in their design and engineering will accomplish more with less simulation/windtunnel runs than somebody else.

I'll take resources over bravado.
"Interplay of triads"

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Quantum wrote:
02 Jun 2025, 20:21
Seanspeed wrote:
02 Jun 2025, 18:37
A top team highly confident in their design and engineering will accomplish more with less simulation/windtunnel runs than somebody else.

I'll take resources over bravado.
It's not bravado, jesus christ.

There's earned confidence in a top team. When initial drafted designs work better out the gate than others, you simply need less simulation runs to validate them and get your desired result.

If a team that could very realistically fight for P2 in the championship internally determines that it should give up and tank the season to get 10% more windtunnel/CFD time, it's a massive insult to the engineering teams, basically saying, "Well you guys messed up too much to care about this project any further". And what reason do you have to think that 10% more windtunnel/CFD time is what is going to 'make the difference' and turn the next Mercedes into a championship leader? I think they either have a winning concept in the pipeline or they dont. That little difference in resources isn't gonna be make or break.
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