Should cars stuck in gravel be helped back on track?

[Fil]

At 1m48 - Is that a young Vettel watching on in the Ferrari pits??

I think it is actually. Look at the cap. It's a red bull cap. Bear in mind back then rb didn't have a team. He could be there as schumi's guest

Vettel was 14 at the time. He doesn't look 14.

Vettel still looks 14 today!

[Pandamasque]

Should cars stuck in gravel be helped back on track?

Yes. It's much better than paving all every gravel trap, which seems to be the trend now.

[raymondu999]

Correct me if I'm wrong but this topic was split out of another topic. It wasn't started as it's own thread

[Muulka]

When I watched the entire rookie season of Hamilton, at first I was impressed with his smooth driving. But as the season wore on, I noticed an amazing amount of leniency given by the stewards to Hamilton. Everyone around him, on the other hand, was penalized for the incidents, imo, he caused.

During a very wet race, I can't remember the year or race. Maybe the Japan or China Grand Prix, where Hamilton spun out onto the gravel and was craned back on the track to continue racing while other cars were left stranded. Ten years of Formula One watching, I have never seen a driver craned back onto the track so that he can continue racing.

So, Hamilton and his driving prowess, imo, is extremely aggressive that is reminiscent of Montoya but even more so. I still remember one of Montoya's last race where the field was going somewhat slow and he just plowed into the back of his team mate Kimi. Hilarious.

I saw through Hamilton's false humbleness very early on. He went from congratulating his team to short of telling them that they are incompetent. Not smart.

First off, do we need another Hamilton bashing topic? Why isn't this locked yet.

And to answer the only single valid point in the above rant, at that time, it was entirely within the rules for a car with an engine still running to be put back onto the track. So Hamilton did NOTHING WRONG and received NO SPECIAL TREATMENT.

I believe that rule has since been changed.

In believe that the rule was changed for the next race
But it was perfectly legal then. Now, they'd be DSQed.

[ESPImperium]

Personally im happy with the practice of pushing the car onto the track in that situation of Schumi, but anytime it needs a mechanichal aid like the Hamilton one id say no.

But id like to see more slippery astroturf or grass-crete on the way out of certain corners that have the tarmac run offs now, lets see cars do what Vettel did today at the end of FP1 in Japan where the cars get so unsettled the driver either bins it or the driver takes to the tarmac run off and looses a heap of time.

[FrukostScones]

That Hamilton was craned back onto the track was pretty cool I think and was nothing unfair (it was not done because the Germans love him so much ). He was the only one who kept his engine running and demanded to get craned back to the track. Pretty clever in my opinion!
Now that method is not legal anymore, the "Schumcher push" could be still legal when the car is in a dangerous position, I don't know. I was pretty angry at the time that they pushed him back because I had put money against him, but thats the game.
I think this is Vettel in the Garage at 1.48, I guess he was invited by Schumacher.

[Pup]

Correct me if I'm wrong but this topic was split out of another topic. It wasn't started as it's own thread

So the mods are no longer satisfied with shutting down any pro-Hamilton threads, and now they're actually whipping up Hamilton bashing threads on their own, and from years-old events even.

[Richard]

There is a funny irony in that.

[Pup]

I would have said hypocrisy.

[strad]

No...In fact there should be no gravel

[Jeffsvilleusa]

Instead they should have bunkers, and anyone is allowed out, but they incur a two-stroke penalty.

[FrukostScones]

Instead they should have bunkers, and anyone is allowed out, but they incur a two-stroke penalty.

for how many laps?

[Giblet]

Correct me if I'm wrong but this topic was split out of another topic. It wasn't started as it's own thread

So the mods are no longer satisfied with shutting down any pro-Hamilton threads, and now they're actually whipping up Hamilton bashing threads on their own, and from years-old events even.

That is not at all what happened. There was talk about gravel pits split into this topic which already existed

Again, there is no conspiracies except the ones people are making up. Threads that turn into arguments get locked, its not our fault that most Hamilton threads turn into driver arguments of a very low level.

[Giblet]

As for the topic of the thread, if a driver goes off on his own, no push. If a driver is pushed off unfairly, and it is safe, he should get a push.

If the stewards decide the pushed car was in the wrong as well they can always stop his race or DQ after.

[ringo]

When I watched the entire rookie season of Hamilton, at first I was impressed with his smooth driving. But as the season wore on, I noticed an amazing amount of leniency given by the stewards to Hamilton. Everyone around him, on the other hand, was penalized for the incidents, imo, he caused.

During a very wet race, I can't remember the year or race. Maybe the Japan or China Grand Prix, where Hamilton spun out onto the gravel and was craned back on the track to continue racing while other cars were left stranded. Ten years of Formula One watching, I have never seen a driver craned back onto the track so that he can continue racing.

So, Hamilton and his driving prowess, imo, is extremely aggressive that is reminiscent of Montoya but even more so. I still remember one of Montoya's last race where the field was going somewhat slow and he just plowed into the back of his team mate Kimi. Hilarious.

I saw through Hamilton's false humbleness very early on. He went from congratulating his team to short of telling them that they are incompetent. Not smart.

Cry me a river, then crane me back on the track after we slide in the tears.
Poor way to open the thread.
90% of the post, such as driving prowess, has nothing to do with the topic at hand.

I think with the new regs, a car can be stuck in the gravel, then driven out on controlled KERS power.
Never really saw getting stuck then being released as controversial as it doesn't put the competitors at any disadvantage.