Anisotropic Structure
So, you apply a horizontal force and it could move downward, but you apply a vertical force and it does not move horizontally (rearward)?
How is this possible? Just a rough explanation is fine at this point.
Brian
As wing-loads in every direction is a very complex thing, it might just come to that, an FIA windtunnel test-bench?myurr wrote:If they can't find any other way to properly enforce it then they should run every single cars front wing in a wind tunnel to generate proper load on it and measure it fully. If that means front wings are homologated then so be it.xpensive wrote:So the FIA still haven't got it, have they? They need to add the horizontal load from aerodynamic drag to get the true vertical deflection from an anisotropic structure as a modern carbonfibre front wing, this is the obvious "secret".
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A resounding thumbs up to this.myurr wrote:
If they can't find any other way to properly enforce it then they should run every single cars front wing in a wind tunnel to generate proper load on it and measure it fully. If that means front wings are homologated then so be it.
They go through tests of similar scale elsewhere, such as the crash tests. Better a level playing field and properly enforced rules than some finding 'clever' ways to basically cheat.
And it is cheating, despite some members claiming otherwise. An athlete that finds a clever scientific way to beat drugs tests isn't a better athlete, they are a clever cheat. That some teams have found a way to beat the flexing wing tests, designed to keep the aero parts of the cars rigid but with practical tolerances as a perfectly rigid body isn't possible, is likewise cheating.
Perhaps each team should be required to provide an attachment that perfectly fits over the outer 20cm of the front wing and attaches firmly to it. A 250-300kg weight should then be applied to it along with a horizontal component to put the proper load on the front wing and correctly measure the deflection.
Having said that, simply adding a horizontal component to the current load-test might make Newey a little nervous?xpensive wrote:As wing-loads in every direction is a very complex thing, it might just come to that, an FIA windtunnel test-bench?myurr wrote:If they can't find any other way to properly enforce it then they should run every single cars front wing in a wind tunnel to generate proper load on it and measure it fully. If that means front wings are homologated then so be it.xpensive wrote:So the FIA still haven't got it, have they? They need to add the horizontal load from aerodynamic drag to get the true vertical deflection from an anisotropic structure as a modern carbonfibre front wing, this is the obvious "secret".
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No it can't. You need accurate measurements and that cannot be done in a moving environment for reasons that should be very obvious. It must be static.JohnsonsEvilTwin wrote:A wind tunnel test can also be done very easily.
Is the car not static in a wind tunnel?munudeges wrote:No it can't. You need accurate measurements and that cannot be done in a moving environment for reasons that should be very obvious. It must be static.JohnsonsEvilTwin wrote:A wind tunnel test can also be done very easily.
That is far too simplistic a view. Take my previous example. If an athlete finds a way to beat the dope testing system does that make their actions legal? Should all the other athletes have to start finding clever ways to take drugs or should the governing body be cracking down on the clever circumvention of the rules?bhallg2k wrote:But, F1 is not a level playing field from team to team. And who really wants that anyway?
If a car passes inspection, it is legal. Why? Because the inspection tools are the same for all teams. That's the only level playing field that matters.
Things don't have to be complicated simply because it's Formula 1. (Complicated? Simply? Yeah.) And while I understand the point you've made with the doping parallel, it's not the same at all. (For one thing, Vettel's testes aren't going to shrivel up because the front wing of his car flexes.)myurr wrote:That is far too simplistic a view [...]
So, you apply a horizontal force and it could move downward, but you apply a vertical force and it does not move horizontally (rearward)?xpensive wrote:Having said that, simply adding a horizontal component to the current load-test might make Newey a little nervous?
bhallg2k wrote:But, F1 is not a level playing field from team to team. And who really wants that anyway?
If a car passes inspection, it is legal. Why? Because the inspection tools are the same for all teams. That's the only level playing field that matters.