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timbo wrote:If it is not stricktly prohibited in the ticket to take footage at the event, it is allowed, so it is up to you to share that.
Actually timbo, all footage you make as a spectator is property of FOM, it's on the back of every single ticket. Only when you are officially accessing the event as photographer or something, your pics are yours and you are allowed to sell them.
modbaraban wrote:A couple of months ago me and my friend recieved an email from FOM stating that we're not allowed have a website called f1world.kiev.ua Someone kindly adviced us to write a reply letter to FOM in Ukrainian Guess what? They never bothered us since
I wonder if they ever emailed Tomba on this matter?
timbo wrote:If it is not stricktly prohibited in the ticket to take footage at the event, it is allowed, so it is up to you to share that.
Actually timbo, all footage you make as a spectator is property of FOM, it's on the back of every single ticket. Only when you are officially accessing the event as photographer or something, your pics are yours and you are allowed to sell them.
That is fine. I just wanted clarification on Ray's point.
I guess it's exactly the same situation with the music industry: if the corporate suits were smart enough they would have grabbed the opportunity to actually make a profit out of the whole mp3 extravaganza instead of allowing it to almost lead them out of business. That could have been achieved not by charging for single track downloads, but by using them instead as a free vessel to promote/advertise their material. Anyone wise enough could easily foresee mp3s were/are the future whether downloading was/is legal or not, so they could have allowed (read, controlled) some losses by actually helping people share low quality music files for free over the internet, and make up the profit from increased cd sales (in reduced, more realistic prices) and gigs. Instead, they tried to fight against the wave, and only ended up being the big losers.. It all comes down to whether you want to be like Metallica, who took Napster to court and have now ended up in the bargain bin, or Radiohead, who offered their latest album free for download and then went off to top the charts..
The most merciful thing in the world, I think, is the inability of the human mind to correlate all its contents. H.P.Lovecraft
andartop wrote:I guess it's exactly the same situation with the music industry: if the corporate suits were smart enough they would have grabbed the opportunity to actually make a profit out of the whole mp3 extravaganza instead of allowing it to almost lead them out of business. That could have been achieved not by charging for single track downloads, but by using them instead as a free vessel to promote/advertise their material. Anyone wise enough could easily foresee mp3s were/are the future whether downloading was/is legal or not, so they could have allowed (read, controlled) some losses by actually helping people share low quality music files for free over the internet, and make up the profit from increased cd sales (in reduced, more realistic prices) and gigs. Instead, they tried to fight against the wave, and only ended up being the big losers.. It all comes down to whether you want to be like Metallica, who took Napster to court and have now ended up in the bargain bin, or Radiohead, who offered their latest album free for download and then went off to top the charts..
Exactly! Except, I don't think that ANYONE said - oh, I won't watch F1 on TV, cause my friend Larry would put best moments on YouTube!
What do they loose with Youtube? Quality is too shabby to bother, they may ban torrent sites, but YouTube vids does not effect their DVD sales, that's for sure!
I think it is the same idiocy as his comments about FOTA having no rights to have "Formula One" in their name.
Its like you said andartop.
For example I download thousands of mp3 a year. When I really like a band, I go and buy the CD because you know you´ll get something extra from it. Like tool CDs for example. The artist you dont like, you delete it from the hard drive. Internet is a kind of a shops glass window.
Maybe someone here knows that when radio appeared, artist where afraid they wont sell records anymore. Now look what have happened!
"You need great passion, because everything you do with great pleasure, you do well." -Juan Manuel Fangio
"I have no idols. I admire work, dedication and competence." -Ayrton Senna
They might lose SOME money in the short term, to be fair, but it's almost 100% sure that they would earn MUCH MORE in the long term.. Just think about it, exactly who would be watching F1 videos on youtube:
a)Someone who would never bother to watch the whole race cause he thinks it's boring, and only wants to see if anything at all happened this time around Monaco: it's a win-win situation, as the sponsors earn exposure on non-fans this way, plus the odd guy who might be fascinated will probably end up watching a few whole races after a while, then maybe consider attending a race, and eventually buy a Schumacher cap or keyholder. Hardly ever likely to cash in on a DVD anyway, whether youtube F1 videos are there or not.
b)The dedicated fan who has no other source to watch that replay of Mark Webber's RPM count the exact moment the tram went by and rendered his gearbox useless - it's a win-win situation again, as the guy is already a fan (thus, buyer) and this way his interest in the product lasts longer than the duration of the race (thus he is more likely to spend more in the product in the future). Plus he will most likely e-mail the link to another 5-6 dedicated fans and generate more discussion about the product, thus rendering the possibility of one or more of them to end up buying into the product more likely. Plus the sponsors again get more exposure for their money. Well, obviously these guys have a whole collection of official F1 video tapes, video-cds and DVDs already, and are highly likely to keep on buying them in blu-ray as well, whether youtube F1 videos are there or not!
c)The casual fan who just can't get enough of Massa spinning Hamilton around or DC giving the finger to a Force India who wouldn't let him lap them thus endangering his fight for 17th position with Button - you guessed it, it's a win-win situation again as this guy is almost certainly already buying lightly into the product and generating more interest in it will almost certainly lead him into buying even more into the product. Plus the sponsors blah blah, you get the point.
d)The guy who was looking for porn and ended up with a video of Max and 5 prostitutes. Well, ok, they might lose some money out of him...but they haven't released a DVD of THAT anyway, have they?
The most merciful thing in the world, I think, is the inability of the human mind to correlate all its contents. H.P.Lovecraft
The guys at music industry, Hollywood and FOM do not understand the freedom that is the Internet.
So far, the internet can't be policed properly. the internet is more real when it comes to freedom, free-market, free-trade, etcs. The right, the wrong, the so called illegal, pirated etcs are all here.
When the big Hollywood companies finally gets it, they will negotiate in an even plain. But first they must give up on the Golden days of the 90s and earlier when money for them is so easily earned. They days of Smash hit songs, record breaking blockbusters are gone!
They should consider that the excuse of using copyright is so yesterday.
Until then, FOM, Hollywood will fight a loosing battle.
jamsbong wrote:The guys at music industry, Hollywood and FOM do not understand the freedom that is the Internet.
So far, the internet can't be policed properly. the internet is more real when it comes to freedom, free-market, free-trade, etcs. The right, the wrong, the so called illegal, pirated etcs are all here.
When the big Hollywood companies finally gets it, they will negotiate in an even plain. But first they must give up on the Golden days of the 90s and earlier when money for them is so easily earned. They days of Smash hit songs, record breaking blockbusters are gone!
They should consider that the excuse of using copyright is so yesterday.
Until then, FOM, Hollywood will fight a loosing battle.
Wait!
YOu want these people to stop after the billions that they spent lobbying laws that protected their way of doing business?
It's their property. They're entitled to do whatever they want, as sh*tty it is for the casual fan and as long as it isn't illegal. That's not stopping a lot of people from finding their away around, though. I bet if anybody here was as megalomaniacal as Bernie the dictator, they would probably be doing the same thing. You don't get that rich by being a nice guy.
Bring back wider rear wings, V10s, and tobacco advertisements
I seriously doubt a lot of people might have ended up doing the same things as Bernie: the guy is a rare genius in his field. He might be this or that (enter favorite swearword), but I give him that he is probably smarter than most of us together, otherwise he would be sitting in front of a laptop posting in a forum and we would be shitting caviar in his place.. There are lots of people who get rich just by being lucky, or bastards (or both), but I believe Bernie is much more than that.
As far as copyrights are concerned, of course they are entitled to it, of course they re legal, but that doesn't stop them being stupid! To be fair, I recognize that the artists and all the people working in the music industry deserve to be paid what they're worth, it's just that they do not seem to have realized that the era of Super Bands, Super Rock Stars, Super Stadium Gigs, Super CD Sales and Super Easy Profits is over, for many reasons. They only need to understand that now they really should only be paid what they're WORTH...
The most merciful thing in the world, I think, is the inability of the human mind to correlate all its contents. H.P.Lovecraft
andartop wrote:To be fair, I recognize that the artists and all the people working in the music industry deserve to be paid what they're worth, it's just that they do not seem to have realized that the era of Super Bands, Super Rock Stars, Super Stadium Gigs, Super CD Sales and Super Easy Profits is over, for many reasons. They only need to understand that now they really should only be paid what they're WORTH...
He is right, I do recognize artists and their work but for Hollywood to think they can use copyright and charge whatever they like in today's age. Now that does not work anymore. FOM should know that.
I do buy real games, CDs and movies if they are worth collecting. I just don't want to buy something that is not worth it. With Internet, I have a choice and I can bypass the restriction of copyright for a change. After I made my choice, I will spend whatever pocket money allows me to spend.
Think about it. There are heaps of illegal Microsoft software out there, why is it that MS remains such a successfully rich company?
another example, illegal copies of CDs are easily available in Asia and that includes local asian artists. Has that ruined lives of famous artists in HongKong or China? NO! because people will still buy their genuine products at the right price. There is even an episode in South Park about this issue.
to me copyright is the old way and an excuse and relying on it is not gonna work.
F1 is the only sport in the world that hates it's fans . who cares about youtube Really ? Their quality is very bad i am a member in 2 forums where you can down,oad full F1 Races and onboard Videos - Review For Free .
if you take a look at the official MotoGP site, they have these video packages on their official site, if you pay a certain amount they'll release everything you want so why F1 don't do the same For Fans ? Bernie opnly thinks of the Fans when it comes to earn more $$.
I don't gamble, but I bet at least one reader of this post can identify with what I am about to describe.
Imagine a person who likes sports, but is only casually aware of Formula One. Then one day, he finds a Youtube video of something like.. Senna's qualifying lap of MOnaco. Or the battle between Gilles and Rene .. suddenly is was like fireworks going off in his (or her) head. Wow, shebang, POP, bang, what is this, it's so cool....
And one more fan joins the ranks.. =D>
Then on the opposite side of the coin.. two kids in school library, just chillin' and wasting time. Then one says, watch this, it happened on the weekend, this dude named Massa spins out lewis Hamilton. They surf over to youtube, find the video, click the link, only to have the message .. "This video has been removed...."
To me, Youtube is something Bernie should embrace and support. Even with YouTube's planned performance increase from small videos to larger ones, you can only see the broad details, but you like what you see. And if you like what you see, then maybe on Sunday instead of tuning into a cricket match on the TV, you decide to watch this Formula One stuff..
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Racing should be decided on the track, not the court room.
I used to "follow" F1 a couple of years ago by reading the snippets found in a car-magazine I used to read. I was more interested in rallying at the time (Gronholm and Panizzi in 206WRC FTW!), but read the snippets about Montoya and the Schu-bros (years 2000 and 2001) anyway. I then stopped reading that magazine, lost touch with F1, until I came across an article on the 2006 season finale. I started to gain interest, I finally knew enough about driving to understand what they're talking about. And as you said, Dave - I came across the video of Rene Arnoux and Gilles Villeneuve, first with that crappy music overdub, and later I found the version with the original commentator. I was hooked, even though I was on Renault's side during that duel.
At first, I couldn't watch the races, either - 2pm Sundays is school/work/uni-time here - but eventually, five races into the 2007 season, I had time: The Canadian GP ran at 8pm, late enough for me. No regular channel here broadcasts (at least, none of the regular cable channels that don't require extras), but I found out that German channel RTL is free and broadcasting. Luckily I know German quite well - and I haven't missed more than three races (due to vacations: Hungary '08, China '08, Silverstone '07) ever since. Without YouTube, I doubt I would've bothered to look for a broadcaster - and as it is, I'm pretty much the only fan I know of in my area.
Someone kindly adviced us to write a reply letter to FOM in Ukrainian
Guess what? They never bothered us since
