FOM taking over Youtube

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There are numerous F1 videos (especially onboard ones) on Youtube that were removed from the site. I'm quite depressed, there were some vids that I regret I didn't download - and the most rediculous thing, they remove not only recent vids but some videos from 90's and 80's. And what for? Do they produce official onboard archives? If they do, that's fine and I can understand why they would remove stuff from Youtube, but as I am aware there's only official season archive DVDs.

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Do they make money on old races?

Scotracer
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It's very depressing that they are removing stuff. Next they'll be removing personal footage of races :x

If they remove my videos, I will be livid!
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Bernie owns all footage of all races whether filmed by FOM or by private individuals. He gets payed every time any F1 material including historical stuff is legally aired. Do you believe he will dish out freebies? He is much too greedy to do that.
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I remember it happened to Best Motoring videos in youtube as well. Top Gear is also sweeping these from time to time. It happens...

from time to time, there is always these annoying copyright square heads putting a stand on their authority.

However, they CAN NOT do it all the time. Things will come back in the form of youtube or something else later.

So when that happens, do keep a copy for yourself!

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Ray
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WhiteBlue wrote:Bernie owns all footage of all races whether filmed by FOM or by private individuals. He gets payed every time any F1 material including historical stuff is legally aired. Do you believe he will dish out freebies? He is much too greedy to do that.
Many people do not realize that if you take video or pictures at a race it is not yours to do with what you will. It stinks, but legally and footage or pictures taken at the races are the property of the FOM.

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I always search youtube through http://www.video.google.com

It seems to get around youtubes blackouts on F1 content.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eNnRD8FJKi8[/youtube]

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Ray wrote:
WhiteBlue wrote:Bernie owns all footage of all races whether filmed by FOM or by private individuals. He gets payed every time any F1 material including historical stuff is legally aired. Do you believe he will dish out freebies? He is much too greedy to do that.
Many people do not realize that if you take video or pictures at a race it is not yours to do with what you will. It stinks, but legally and footage or pictures taken at the races are the property of the FOM.
I guess the fans can always shut their eyes.

How long until Bernie gets a legal definition stating that your memories of live events are his property, since they would be an "audio and visual documentation of an event", and be able to directly charge your credit card monthly for the storage fee?

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Ray wrote:Many people do not realize that if you take video or pictures at a race it is not yours to do with what you will. It stinks, but legally and footage or pictures taken at the races are the property of the FOM.
If it is not stricktly prohibited in the ticket to take footage at the event, it is allowed, so it is up to you to share that. What screws me, is that some footage (last night I searched for Senna's onboard, still there's plenty of such vids, but many I enjoyed watching are removed) is old and rare and I believe you can't easily find them on official FOM releases...
So it is not that I would watch the video and NOT buy something from Brnie, it is about I'm NOT watching the video AT ALL!

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So, you've discovered that copyrighted videos are removed from YouTube and F1 management makes an effort to remove them whenever possible? :D

What a surprise. It sounds like YouTube having a policy in place. The fiends!

Just because Viacom sues them for 1 billion over 100,000 copyrighted titles posted by very responsible, anonymous users, they bend like a wet spaghetti. They're nothing more than chickens: they should take the 1 billion hit and allow us to copy Senna's old movies...

I can tell you: if I ever manage a website, I will trust in people. I won't mind being sued by those useless big corporations, which only want money. Not like me: I work for free. Heck, we should pay to work! And, why, oh, why do they still use those annoying cash register machines at supermarkets? They should put a "voluntary payments basket" in every mall.

After all, let's not forget we have a constitutional right to pirate movies. As Patrick Henry said: "Give me Senna's videos or give me death!". Well, that's not exactly what he said, but I'm sure that's what he meant: after all, ethics are subjective. Aren't they?
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I hope Bernie does not get a single cent from Slavica for the divorce. All his cash is in her name.

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That youtube-f1 thing has been happening for ages. At F1zone forums where people share race vids they even have a thread called "Been bernied? Join the club" especially for people with their youtube accounts closed because of F1 footage.

A couple of months ago me and my friend recieved an email from FOM stating that we're not allowed have a website called f1world.kiev.ua :) Someone kindly adviced us to write a reply letter to FOM in Ukrainian :lol: Guess what? They never bothered us since :D

I wonder if they ever emailed Tomba on this matter?

PS: wait till they start charging every time you use the F1 key on your keyboard :wink:

PPS: OMG!!1 My avatar's f***ing illegal!!!

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Ciro Pabón wrote:So, you've discovered that copyrighted videos are removed from YouTube and F1 management makes an effort to remove them whenever possible? :D

What a surprise. It sounds like YouTube having a policy in place. The fiends!

Just because Viacom sues them for 1 billion over 100,000 copyrighted titles posted by very responsible, anonymous users, they bend like a wet spaghetti. They're nothing more than chickens: they should take the 1 billion hit and allow us to copy Senna's old movies...

I can tell you: if I ever manage a website, I will trust in people. I won't mind being sued by those useless big corporations, which only want money. Not like me: I work for free. Heck, we should pay to work! And, why, oh, why do they still use those annoying cash register machines at supermarkets? They should put a "voluntary payments basket" in every mall.

After all, let's not forget we have a constitutional right to pirate movies. As Patrick Henry said: "Give me Senna's videos or give me death!". Well, that's not exactly what he said, but I'm sure that's what he meant: after all, ethics are subjective. Aren't they?
So, I guess you never borrowed a book from a friend? But let's not talk about piracy once again.
Look at what Monty-Pyton did - http://www.youtube.com/user/MontyPython
That way of looking on youtube - "they are ripping us off!!!! Sue them!!!" is sooo pointless, cause after all, there's still alot more F1 videos and they would never be able to remove them completely. Look at myspace - many bands are streaming their entire albums online! For free! Cause that way they sell more!
They can make their own youtube channel and offer hi-res videos on paid downloads,
it's a win-win thing.

PS and I remember you posted links for ITV F1 stream? No? :roll:
PPS Just kidding :wink: My point was about Bernies greed and inability to deal with nework marketing.

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I think the real problem here with FOM, and big media as a whole is that they can't find a way to adapt to the internet, plain and simple. The billion dollar franchises that generate the content can't figure out a way to keep the cows inside the fence, so they send out the lawyers to kill anything that gets off the farm instead of letting the consumer get a taste, liking the meat and trying to find the source. No large media outlet is agile enough to keep up with the pace of their own distribution anymore and their "ours or nobodys" attitude generates a sour taste for consumer in my eyes.

Don't think i'm trying to live in some sort of anarchist haven either. Intellectual property is just what it says. Property. But I'm talking about something that noone is making a dime on. Hell, you'd probably have to pay someone or many people hundreds of thousands of dollars a year to filter out all that content and make it available on youtube.

A small website like f1technical.net caters to a more enthusiastic fan base than formula1.com. Sure, their site is flashy and dynamic and all that other crap that they've spent tons of money on, and thats great for the casual viewer. It's pretty (for lack of a better word) and easy to use and I commemorate them for that. But the users here, whether or not I agree with them, are allowed to have a discussion that you are just not going to see on formula1.com, nevermind their minimalistic discussion of the technology. Which this site kicks --- rhinocerous ass with, by the way to whoever is in charge. Thats the reason I go to this site multiple times every day, and formula1.com maybe once or twice a week. (I also reccomend arstechnica.com, a great computer-centric site I visit daily)

Maybe the FIA, FOM, NBC, NFL, BBC and any other three letter abbreviated companies ought to start employing someone with in charge of keeping an ear to whats going on with these types of feeder or secondary websites and what the passionate users are really interested in. Then they wouldn't have these types of problems in the first place because the consumers would probably tell them exactly what they want, alongside developing an internet oriented business model that doesn't mitigate the openness of the web while still being lucrative. I'm sure its tought to do, but these are the types of people who are willing to spend the cash money on the sport, and are probably talking about in their free time generating more interest in the product. Why bite the hand that feeds you?

After all that, now I feel guilty about not donating to this site yet as i've been eavesdropping on it for about 3 years now. I'm a bartender in a tourist town in the North East of the U.S., which of course leaves me pennyless for nine months out of the year. I'll try to make one soon.

Sorry about the novel! :P

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Ahh!... "stealing" on the internet!

Do you know how is the "marketing" process of selling drugs to addicts? The first one is free, then you must pay... but, what happens if the dealer is dumb enough to let be robbed for a while and the addict gets used to have his dossis for free, and he begins telling his friends about that marvelous drug he is having... for free!

They gave us internet, youtube, mp3, they showed us the candy and now they are anoyed because we are eating the cake! We have already payed for those F1 footages when we payed our TV cable operator, the tickets to the F1 races, when we bought the products those colourful noisy fast cars sold us, when we bought books and VHS/DVDs for years.

Thats why I say: F*** Bernie, Im a pirate and Im proud of being it!

Viva the Torrents! Viva all for free!

PD: but viva the conscience too: Thanks to internet I have got a wonderful masterpiece for free: Race Car Vehicle Dynamics. I need it to begin my path as an engineer, and I didn´t buy it because I cant find it in book stores and have no credit card (I try to be the more out of the system I can, even if Im deep inside :oops: :roll: ) but definitively my conscience wont let me steal Mr. Miliken and friends. No! I will buy his book, but momentarily, internet helps me to save time :wink:
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