Hats off for Badoer.

[Ciro Pabón]

Hats off to Badoer? Yeah, why not? Hats off... to scratch our heads in amazement.

Is Badoer a man without testing time? Do we hear arguments about one year off? Oh, c'mon, doesn't anybody race? Sure we do.

That man has taken more laps than Barrichello during the last 10 years... I bet he has gone around Fiorano at least 1000 times. If we had his experience and somebody offered us a position like that I think you would do better, Callum. Alonso has waited what? Three years for that seat? It's a waste of resources if you ask me.

Guys like Alguersuari hadn't the experience and now they haven't the car and they're lapping Badoer.

Whose fault it is? Oh, yeah, it's FIA's fault because testing times... oh, c'mon. I'm not retarded and I was taught to never excuse myself by saying it's other people's fault.

I cannot fail to remember the classical excuse of El Chavo: "It wasn't me. It was a child identical to me, but he's gone now..."

I respectfully think that Badoer's performance is shameful, for him and for the team. He's riding a Ferrari, for the love of Pete! Please, take in account I'm the guy that profeses unlimited admiration for racers, Badoer included, but I'm not blind nor lenient with abysmal (perhaps abyssal!) lack of capacity. Badoer performance is not only unjustifiable, but unexplainable. Something weird must be going in his head.

[xpensive]

"My name is Luca, I'm starting from the back of the grid...perhaps you seen me before?"

[SZ]

Ciro... I don't know what to say suffice that you have some unrealistic expectations. Both on Badoer's performance and on the circumstances under which he got the drive.

Read what I wrote. It certainly doesn't blame the FIA for his performance.

[timbo]

Guys like Alguersuari hadn't the experience and now they haven't the car and they're lapping Badoer.

They hadn't experience in F1 car, but they were racing all year in damn fast cars nonetheless.

Whose fault it is? Oh, yeah, it's FIA's fault because testing times... oh, c'mon. I'm not retarded and I was taught to never excuse myself by saying it's other people's fault.

Nobody made that point=)

Badoer performance is not only unjustifiable, but unexplainable. Something weird must be going in his head.

Here's a little piece of history.
Gap between Mansell and Patrese in qualifying 1992.
SA GP: +1.995s
Mex GP: +0.016s
Br GP: +1.161s
Sp GP: +1.344s
S-M GP: +1.053s
Mo GP: +0.873s
Ca GP: -0.076s
Fr GP: +0.468s
Br GP: +1.889s
Ge GP: +0.550s
Hu GP: -0.167s
Be GP: +3.012s (!)
It GP: +0.801s
Po GP: +0.631s
Ja GP: +0.859s
Au GP: +0.638s

So, you can see the gaps. Patrese was faster than Mansell only twice and six times he was more than one seconds behind. Despite this he wasn't fired mid-season and found a drive in a Benetton for 1993. He also was in top 5 after qualifying every race.

My point - all present F1 drivers (and young guys in lesser formulae too) are at top shape and extremely trained as never before. Such consistency as we see today means that they are capable of extracting 99% out of the car with ease.
I bet if Algersuary debuted in 1992 having shape and skill he has today he'd be considered child prodigy no less than MS.
This also means that their shape and skill has to be maintained each and every day.
What this means to the guy who hadn't driven F1 car for 10 months? It means he's in trouble.

[Ciro Pabón]

Whose fault it is? Oh, yeah, it's FIA's fault because testing times... oh, c'mon. I'm not retarded and I was taught to never excuse myself by saying it's other people's fault.

Nobody made that point=)

Sorry if I misunderstood you when SZ said that "without testing it's harder to present a competitive game in F1." I thought he meant that "without testing it's harder to present a competitive game in F1". My mistake.

[timbo]

Whose fault it is? Oh, yeah, it's FIA's fault because testing times... oh, c'mon. I'm not retarded and I was taught to never excuse myself by saying it's other people's fault.

Nobody made that point=)

Sorry if I misunderstood you when SZ said that "without testing it's harder to present a competitive game in F1." I thought he meant that "without testing it's harder to present a competitive game in F1". My mistake.

C'mon Ciro I don't believe that statement was anti-FIA, if you further read that post, SZ blames FOTA for testing ban, as they apparently chose testing restriction over other possible cost-cutting measures.
Did Badoer said himself "I blame Max for my bad results"? He only blamed media for extreme pressure. Well, I kinda agree, it's hard to expect miracles from driver abbreviated with "bad" on TV graphic)))

[SZ]

Well Ciro, you can not only quote out of context but quote yourself doing so. That's some talent.

A logical rebuttal would start off with something along the lines of "Do you think that with testing time/recent race experience - as opposed to ten years out of a race seat and severely limited testing - that Badoer wouldn't have done better" and gone into "Do you think that, even after Schumacher called off his comeback, that a guy out of competitive series formula racing was Ferrari's first choice?"...

...however it'd seem logic has little place with you, despite timbo's very diplomatic attempt to maintain a debate. I take back all I said. You're right. My mistake.

Now go moderate/quote that out of context a few more times.

[Ciro Pabón]

Sorry again. From now on, I will understand perfectly what you say, as soon as you write it. If I quote myself I will try harder to understand what I wrote.

I've also been enlightened: now I understand that Badoer needs more testing time. Perhaps another 10 years will do.

Next time I blame somebody for something I will try to blame FOTA, not FIA.

Finally, I apologize for my lack of logic and impertinence. Just imagine: a moderator with opinions! What kind of rudeness is that?

[PNSD]

Timbo, impossible to compare Luca and Ricardo imo.

15 years apart. Those kind of gaps were not unheard of. Senna often out qualified 4 time world champion Prost by tenths, and even seconds.

However, looking at those times he was only ever close to Mansell once!! That's quite amazing. Today, a 5/10 gap to your team mate is often unheard of in equal conditions. Crazy!

[timbo]

However, looking at those times he was only ever close to Mansell once!! That's quite amazing. Today, a 5/10 gap to your team mate is often unheard of in equal conditions. Crazy!

That's exactly my point.
Dispersion is so small it's crazy! And not only between drivers but for the same driver over a series of laps too. It's easier to assume that they have an autopilot than that it is human ability.
So, how can you achieve such consistency?
My guess it's training. And once you're out of regime - you're wasted.

[SZ]

What kind of rudeness is that?

Just a (sadly) predictable fanboy ignorance on your part, and no more.

[timbo]

It's interesting to compare Liuzzi and Badoer.
Liuzzi is much younger and have much more recent F1 and racing experience. Also, Monza is not as demanding as Spa or Valencia from the driver skill perspective.
Semms like Liuzzi is doing resonably well, but he is 1+ seconds off Sutil.