Testing?

[Jersey Tom]

The big teams do not need to test.

Just not true.

[lolzi]

The big teams do not need to test.

Just not true.

Would it be true if he included the underlying "as much as people seem to think they do" or even "as much as Ferrari did"?
Oh, by the way - how much testing was done by "young drivers" or test drivers? Did the race drivers do the most mileage or the test drivers (in testing that is)?

[Jersey Tom]

I can't imagine being on a pro race team and ever getting to the point of saying, "OK... we have no need to do any more track testing."

[Ciro Pabón]

Well, maybe after the last lap of the last race. You know, the Sabbath was made for the man, etc.

[marcush.]

The big teams do not need to test.

Just not true.

sorry Tom ,
my words are misleading.I meant :They can use available track time for their testing needs and still do ok.
No ways you will know all and everything about your equipment going into race 1 of the season but who said that this is a must?Meriads of racers go racings without ever testing.
The idea of ironing out reliability issues by pounding around a track is just not true .
Anyways those teams who break their equipment in testing seem to be short on spares anyways so they do not run much in consequence.
With no testing you stand a half decent chance to get some technical dnfs also from the top teams.And that is to me not a bad thing at all.

[Jersey Tom]

Well, maybe after the last lap of the last race. You know, the Sabbath was made for the man, etc.

At which point the preparation begins for the next season

[siskue2005]

There are even anecdotes of Schumacher testing on the Friday of the Monaco GP (FP is on Thursday in Moncao). He'd fly back to Maranello to pound out a few hundred laps to tweak the settings and check reliablity.

Yeah nice little fairy tale

[ESPImperium]

There are even anecdotes of Schumacher testing on the Friday of the Monaco GP (FP is on Thursday in Moncao). He'd fly back to Maranello to pound out a few hundred laps to tweak the settings and check reliablity.

Yeah nice little fairy tale :roll:

As there is also annecdotes of Ferarri having either Gene or Badoer doing laps arround Maranello or Mugello the same weekend of certain weekends where setup was the key to potential. If i remember there was a race in Canada where the Ferarri was no where on either of the Friday practices, Badoer flew back immediatly and on the Saturday did 500Km arround Maranello in a couple diffrent cars to get the idea set up. As then they had 2 Saturday sessions, the first one the Ferarris started to make in roads, and the final SP saw Ferrari go P4 and P6, and by Qualis end they were P1 and P2 or something simmilar.

Anyways, im started the last part of 2008 test data so will have a full charrt of Pre Season, On Season and Post Season figures in 2008 to compair to 2010 as my 2009 data is gonna get a fresh refurbish as its a bit of a mess in comparison to my pre and post 2009 data charts as those work and have a logical format.

[siskue2005]

yes what you are saying is correct
there where test drivers testing at marenello during the race weekend
But i was denying the statement that MS flew from monaco to marenallo during fridays at monaco gp for testing!
thats completely absurd!

[Richard]

A quick google brought up a report from autosport forums about Schumacher testing for Monaco.

http://forums.autosport.com/index.php?s ... entry71431

It doesn't really matter if it was Schumacher, the point is that when FP stopped on the track, another car would be running on a test circuit.

I do prefer the current lack of testing because of resulting uncertainty creates a challenge for the engineers to get the design & implementation right first time.

[siskue2005]

A quick google brought up a report from autosport forums about Schumacher testing for Monaco.

http://forums.autosport.com/index.php?s ... entry71431

It doesn't really matter if it was Schumacher, the point is that when FP stopped on the track, another car would be running on a test circuit.

I do prefer the current lack of testing because of resulting uncertainty creates a challenge for the engineers to get the design & implementation right first time.

thats what i said about fairy tale stuff
infact you said that Schumacher himself flew to maranello to testing during fridays at monaco GP

There are even anecdotes of Schumacher testing on the Friday of the Monaco GP (FP is on Thursday in Moncao). He'd fly back to Maranello to pound out a few hundred laps to tweak the settings and check reliablity.

This is what i called fairy tale stuff! and complete BS!

its well known that ferrari and other top teams used to test their cars with their TEST DRIVERS in some other track and send feedbacks during a race weekend
this is fact.

[Richard]

How about this from the FIA press conference reports from Monaco qualifying in 1999 & 2000 ....

Q. You went back to Fiorano yesterday.

Q. Michael, yesterday at Fiorano you were testing

http://www.fia.com/resources/documents/ ... 1999_3.pdf
http://www.fia.com/resources/documents/ ... 2000_3.pdf

[Richard]

That rummage through the archives found FIA testing reports that summarises typical weeks in 98, 99 & 02.

Note the 1998 report says Ferari had Luca Badoer at Fiorano and Irvine at Magny-Cours at the same time. (probably another fairy tale )

http://www.fia.com/resources/documents/ ... Update.pdf
http://www.fia.com/resources/documents/ ... Update.pdf
http://www.fia.com/resources/documents/ ... ev_CAN.pdf

[siskue2005]

Oh wow, hands up mate
i never knew about it,
and sorry for not believing and all the stuffs i wrote on it

this is crazy stuff! going back to fiarano on fridays, thats some serious testing going on!

No wonder testing is banned today, all the crazy stuff and money they busted back then

[Richard]

LOL to be honest when I said "it doesn't really matter" I was signalling that I was going to leave it.

When you came back with your post quoting me twice and calling it a fairy tale twice, I was motivated to do some digging. Especially the use of CAPITALS, that was really annoying!

So if I hadn't been prompted into action by you then I'd never have found those quotes. Thank you!