Why hamilton is so good at overtaking

[ringo]

I agree. Nothing special from him. Usual Hamilton.

Umm no.
E.g. here
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HUeqylGWjq8[/youtube]

that's kovalinen being overtaken there. Much different and slower corner as well.
Not exactly 3 wide either. That's 2 wide, with 1 guy scavenging off the scraps.

[PlatinumZealot]

You want to see a great overtake?

This is a great manouvre, note how Da Micheal nearly put him on the grass first time round. And eau rouge flat in a V10? You betcha....

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e5h-HTv9d4c[/youtube]

I don't know if it's just me, but that overtake wasn't all that difficult. It's one of the best ones to watch and it's one of the most dangerous overtakes ever, but it's like a simple lane change when I re-watch it. Nothing too difficult, no planning the slow car caught them by surprised and the drivers reacted. Very dramatic though, but Hamilton could do that with his eyes closed; he would use sonar like the dolphins and see it from turns away.

[timbo]

but Hamilton could do that with his eyes closed; he would use sonar like the dolphins and see it from turns away.

You're SO wrong posting this stuff on the public forum.
You do know that Ferrari guys are reading all this, and in Canada they would put ultrasonic jammers that would lead poor Hammy into the wall?

[Just_a_fan]

Hakkinen should've gone to Ferrari to put manners on Schumi

Schuie never let a decent driver in to the number 2 seat. That's how he capitalised on Ferrari's position in the early 2000s. You don't walk away with titles by having a hugely fast team mate in the other car.

[JohnsonsEvilTwin]

Hakkinen should've gone to Ferrari to put manners on Schumi

Schuie never let a decent driver in to the number 2 seat. That's how he capitalised on Ferrari's position in the early 2000s. You don't walk away with titles by having a hugely fast team mate in the other car.

100% concurred.

It would have been brilliant to see. But in Schumacher shoes, would you want the Flying Finn sitting next to you?
[-X

The only driver to ever scare the bejesus out of Schumi, and also my personal fave over those years.

[lebesset]

although I started this thread because of a ridiculous article in a newspaper , I did accept that , in reality , hamilton is talented at this

however the thread has migrated into a genuine discussion as to the reasons why this might be so , and have caused me to think about them

I accept that hamilton seems to have all the physical gifts required for this skill , maybe to an exceptional level , I have no idea

in my own hobby , unrelated to motorsport in any way , there are competitors who are known for their speed of reaction and their ability to exploit the slightest error that you make ...they are referred to as pressure players , because they keep their opponents under pressure , they give them no time , and they therefore make errors

I think the explanation is that hamilton is a pressure player

[Timomies]

2007 - (2nd)best car
2008 - best car (penalties, bad positions)
2009 - KERS
2010 - F-duct

he is so great...

[internetf1fan]

2007 - (2nd)best car
2008 - best car (penalties, bad positions)
2009 - KERS
2010 - F-duct

he is so great...

And yet in the same cars, he has passed his team mates multiple amounts of time. Even this season Hamilton has passed button many times already.

[JohnsonsEvilTwin]

And vice versa.... Turkey anyone???
Hamilton was behind on tracks that allowed more freedom for overtaking this year.
Button was leading the races....not much left to overtake when your leading

[internetf1fan]

And vice versa.... Turkey anyone???
Hamilton was behind on tracks that allowed more freedom for overtaking this year.
Button was leading the races....not much left to overtake when your leading

The only reason Button was able to overtake was because there was a misunderstanding in team communication. Look how fast Hamilton was able to take the place back as soon as he put on his racing hat. Apart from that how many times have Hamilton's team mates overtaken Hamilton? Even Alonso couldn't outbrake Hamilton in USA 2007 after spendin so much time behind his tow and on fresh tires.

As for your other comment, please check the finishing positions of Button to realise he hasn't been leading all the time. Look at his unability to pass Schumacher in his superior F-Duct enabled car in previous races. , while Hamilton has passed both Mercedes so far and pretty much every front running car. So clearly it's not just the F-duct.

[Shrieker]

And vice versa.... Turkey anyone???
Hamilton was behind on tracks that allowed more freedom for overtaking this year.
Button was leading the races....not much left to overtake when your leading

The only reason Button was able to overtake was because there was a misunderstanding in team communication. Look how fast Hamilton was able to take the place back as soon as he put on his racing hat. Apart from that how many times have Hamilton's team mates overtaken Hamilton? Even Alonso couldn't outbrake Hamilton in USA 2007 after spendin so much time behind his tow and on fresh tires.

As for your other comment, please check the finishing positions of Button to realise he hasn't been leading all the time. Look at his unability to pass Schumacher in his superior F-Duct enabled car in previous races. , while Hamilton has passed both Mercedes so far and pretty much every front running car. So clearly it's not just the F-duct.

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"Why hamilton is so good at overtaking ?"

Simple, really. He's more talented than others, though to me, not innate as many people assume. He wanted to be really good and worked for it, hard. Though it should be noted that to be competitive at a high level, it is a must to have at least the same amount of innate skill as others. Hamilton's success -to me- can be summarized as working harder and desiring more. His fire burns brighter.

[mx_tifoso]

Please hold back from posting personal comments or getting into public discussions that are off topic. Use PM's if necessary, but don't let personal stuff spew out into public view.

FYI: I have just cleaned this thread from that type of posts.

[JohnsonsEvilTwin]

Why thank you MX.

[shamikaze]

I tend to agree with Lebesset about Hamilton being a pressure-player. But he doesn't always use it. Only when necessary. Depending on his opponent and his strong/weak points, he'll apply this or just plain attack him.

Although I'm a fan of his drving-style and ability (as I was of The flying Fin), I don't think too many people at this moment in the current drivers line-up will match him at that. It might be interesting (but will never happen) to do a 1-make series as a warm-up for Formula 1 (ie 10 laps to battle it out with the drivers competign in the F1 series. Then you'll get to see who is the best on what track and what difference the car makes. But like said, it would be dreaming and will never happen. Someone should suggest it to BernieE. He'll only make more money out of it so shouldn't be against it

Thanks MX for the housekeeping. It is very unlikely I will revert into what you commonly see here and at other forums and start shouting at others. Leave the emotions when you log-in and engage the brain When in doubt, come back later and post then In my humble opinion, it's funny/entertaining (even borderline educational because it strengthens my English vocabulary) to read/watch for 2 or 3 posts, after that it is just rubbish and annoying.

GReetz,

S.

[Just_a_fan]

In my humble opinion, it's funny/entertaining (even borderline educational because it strengthens my English vocabulary) to read/watch for 2 or 3 posts, after that it is just rubbish and annoying.

GReetz,

S.

I shouldn't worry about your English - seems pretty good.

Or are you just looking to 'expand your vocabulary'? I can think of lots of new words when I read some of the comments on here...