2012 Testing - Barcelona 2: 1 - 4 March

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Schurcedes wrote:Rosberg's latest stint has been super consistent, not more than 5 tenths between fastest and slowest laps.
No, you are wrong, you have to be contorting the data somehow. It can't be. Not possible. :)
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Gerhard Berger wrote:Ferrari are testing the new floor and diffuser from Byrne.
I wonder if everything from Ferrari is designing by Rory Byrne, what hell is doing Tombazis? Making some coffee? I think the whole story about Rory Byrne and his return to Ferrari as a 24/7 employe is overrated, I mean for sure the design team take into consideration any observation he does, but I dont think that he is so involved as the media and the twitter gurus are saying.

C´mon dude, a new "Rory Byrne" floor? a new "Rory Byrne" FW? a new "Rory Byrne" rear wing? a new "Rory Byrne" diffuser? Whats next? a new "Rory Byrne" engine? It seems that everything Ferrari does is a Rory Byrne creation.

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Mestrades wrote:Last Rosberg stint. It looks better than the last one in terms of tyre degradation =D>

1:29.271 (115)
1:29.144 (116)
1:29.116 (117)
1:29.061 (118)
1:29.033 (119)
1:33.924 (120)
1:29.429 (121)
1:29.581 (122)
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1:29.567 (124)
RED FLAG! ---!
Like I said there are improving quite rapidly every run and every test week. I'm quite optimistic for this season. Because its looks everyone had did their homework.
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gandharva wrote:
Mr.S wrote:Ferrari,Mclaren,Mercedes are all loosing atleast 2-2.5s over a 10 Lap+ Run. Even last year I can NOT remember anyone loosing only 1s in a 16 lap run.This is unheard of. There is barely any degradation.
This is wrong. At least for hard tires. But it seems RBR atm has a slight advantage over other teams in terms of tire wear.
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From Brazil 2011, Vettel in blue, Button in orange. Spain is probably more punishing on tyres, but still, to lose a second in 16 laps seems fairly average in comparison to tyre wear at the end of last season, when the times tended to decrease during the stint (first stint is on used tyres, so increase in times expected).

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Mercedes have lost only 0.4s in 10 Laps. That is Fantastic. Definite Improvement in set-up. But there was massively SLOW 1.33.9 in between those laps where Mercedes lost 5s.

Anyways It is clearly that 1st Lap should be a Slow Lap. Look at Mercedes now. Slightly Slower Lap & less tyre degradation. I dont know how they will do a 1.34 odd SUPER SLOW in between a stint. Ferrari have done this multiple times,doing 1-33 odd to Lessen the Tyre Wear.

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They are testing exactly what they said. Different kinds of drive to observe the behavior of the tyres in every situation...

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dren wrote:
Schurcedes wrote:Rosberg's latest stint has been super consistent, not more than 5 tenths between fastest and slowest laps.
No, you are wrong, you have to be contorting the data somehow. It can't be. Not possible. :)
120th Lap was SUPER SLOW. 1.33.9.

Ferrari have done this too many times too. They cant do this in a race to lessen degradation. They will just get passed.

But the obvious thing is Slow Lap in 1st lap & much lesser degradation & very consistent one too.

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Mr.S wrote:
banibhusan wrote:So Massa did 12 laps while losing just .9 sec (lap 83-94). Will someone bother to say it's out of the world and outstanding and all that? ;)
Well it was Very Solid. But the opening lap was quite slow. So the real time was actually 1.2-1.3s+ atleast.

In this 2nd lap he went 2-3 tenths faster unlike Webber who lost 1 or 2 tenths in his 1st lap.

Nevertheless that was a VERY good stint. But that was 12 laps of Hard Tyre. The Hard tyre should last 15-20 Laps atleast. But Solid Improvement from Jerez.
1 29.573 - 1 28.625 = 0.948 sec lost over 11 laps

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Mr.S wrote:
dren wrote:
Schurcedes wrote:Rosberg's latest stint has been super consistent, not more than 5 tenths between fastest and slowest laps.
No, you are wrong, you have to be contorting the data somehow. It can't be. Not possible. :)
120th Lap was SUPER SLOW. 1.33.9.

Ferrari have done this too many times too. They cant do this in a race to lessen degradation. They will just get passed.

But the obvious thing is Slow Lap in 1st lap & much lesser degradation & very consistent one too.
have you considered there might be trafiic on that 'super slow lap'??

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radosav wrote:
Mr.S wrote:
banibhusan wrote:So Massa did 12 laps while losing just .9 sec (lap 83-94). Will someone bother to say it's out of the world and outstanding and all that? ;)
Well it was Very Solid. But the opening lap was quite slow. So the real time was actually 1.2-1.3s+ atleast.

In this 2nd lap he went 2-3 tenths faster unlike Webber who lost 1 or 2 tenths in his 1st lap.

Nevertheless that was a very good stint. But that was 12 laps of Hard Tyre. The Hard tyre should last 15-20 Laps at least. But Solid Improvement from Jerez.
1 29.573 - 1 28.625 = 0.948 sec lost over 11 laps
Yes but it was a Slow Opening Lap which can not be done in a race with 2 cars breathing down your neck. That is why I liked Webber's one. No Slow Laps as such. Consistent one's. And 16 laps not 11 odd laps.

The times are still good though. Ferrari have made a huge improvement.
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The_Truth wrote:
Gerhard Berger wrote:Ferrari are testing the new floor and diffuser from Byrne.
I wonder if everything from Ferrari is designing by Rory Byrne, what hell is doing Tombazis? Making some coffee? I think the whole story about Rory Byrne and his return to Ferrari as a 24/7 employe is overrated, I mean for sure the design team take into consideration any observation he does, but I dont think that he is so involved as the media and the twitter gurus are saying.

C´mon dude, a new "Rory Byrne" floor? a new "Rory Byrne" FW? a new "Rory Byrne" rear wing? a new "Rory Byrne" diffuser? Whats next? a new "Rory Byrne" engine? It seems that everything Ferrari does is a Rory Byrne creation.
He works as a consultant 100 days a year. Apparantly most of these days were during the off season with a view to the 2012 car.

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There is no Slow lap, you only do a 'slow' lap when you are on a 3 lap run with soft of supersoft tyre. Just like in Q3. The slow laps you see here are a result of traffic. Not to cool of the tyre, because that not a race sim. In the real race you can't do a slow lap.....
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I dont think we can conclude anything from Webber's 1s / 16 lap stint at all. If he could drive around somewhere near 1:26 and he decides to sandbag and run in 1:28's to begin with, all he has to do is push a little harder on every lap to maintain a similar pace to his original lap. This would allow him to lap at a similar pace with very little tyre wear as he is deliberately driving a couple of seconds within the car's pace anyway and then gradually decreasing this margin by putting a little bit of extra effort in per lap.

Losing 1 second in 16 laps is impressive if we assume that he is driving identically on each of those 16 laps but there is no way to prove this. Do not discount the fact that teams will play mind games with each other.

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If I were rich enough I'd hand out a copy of "The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy" to certain people for them to look at the title page before posting here.......

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Mandrake wrote:What about going at 80% of full speed in the beginning and just trying to keep those times? That would result in let's say 95% of full speed towards the end. Tire degradation much worse than the times display.....don't read too much into the times m8
That is possible but what for? They are double world champion not some back marker trying to impress sponsors.