2025 Canadian Grand Prix - Montreal, June 13 - 15

[CHT]

If stewards decided that George did no wrong, then it should be a clear penalty for Max for overtaking under SC. Why did Mercedes not launch a protest?

Because Mercedez sees Max as their future WDC. Merc cant afford to sour their relationship

No they don't. Toto has already confirmed he's sticking with the current lineup.

Realistically Max will not be available till 2027 as he will not take any risky decesion to switch team until there is a clear packing order for 2026 cars. So Toto is right to say he is sticking with the current lineup

[ENGINE TUNER]

This is just pure embarrassment for the sport when teams behave like this and race outcomes aren’t final until 5-6 hours after the race. It has to end.

Race outcomes are provisional until all technical inspections and sporting investigations are completed, F1 is a far more complicated sport than stick and ball sports, accept it and get over it. There is nothing embarrassing about it. Cars were disqualified from the indy 500 days after it ended, such is the nature of motorsport. Dont like it? Watch badminton then. Adherence to technical regulations are far more important than your likes and dislikes.

[SB15]

Because Mercedez sees Max as their future WDC. Merc cant afford to sour their relationship

No they don't. Toto has already confirmed he's sticking with the current lineup.

Things can change there quickly though, yes I would say almost certainly George and Kimi will be their 2 drivers next year too but stranger things have happened; Thought Toto last week with the Max/George incident was interesting almost refused to really criticise Max, the reporters pushed him he took the smallest of bites even during the week he somewhat defended Max, saying somthing like Champions been to feel like they are fighting adversity, it does feel like Toto is just keeping that door open just incase.

Highly doubt Toto is keeping the door open. Given the rumors about the Mercedes engine in 2026 and the switch to the in-wash based design (That Mercedes was previously dominant with), there is a possibility that George will probably have 2 or 3 WDC under his belt before Max is ever available in 2027-2028. But, who knows, we'll see how it unfolds.

[Quantum]

Always the usual suspects. I’ll leave it at that.

Side note: Is RBR the least likable team on the grid?

Yup, almost like it's permissible.

Re your sidenote, it's almost company policy now to protest if they dont win. 2026 has the potential to be one long Horner complaint.

[F1NAC]

No they don't. Toto has already confirmed he's sticking with the current lineup.

Things can change there quickly though, yes I would say almost certainly George and Kimi will be their 2 drivers next year too but stranger things have happened; Thought Toto last week with the Max/George incident was interesting almost refused to really criticise Max, the reporters pushed him he took the smallest of bites even during the week he somewhat defended Max, saying somthing like Champions been to feel like they are fighting adversity, it does feel like Toto is just keeping that door open just incase.

the switch to the in-wash based design (That Mercedes was previously dominant with), there is a possibility that George will probably have 2 or 3 WDC under his belt before Max is ever available in 2027-2028. But, who knows, we'll see how it unfolds.

Mercedes as a team didn't exist when inwash front wings were a thing....

[SB15]

Things can change there quickly though, yes I would say almost certainly George and Kimi will be their 2 drivers next year too but stranger things have happened; Thought Toto last week with the Max/George incident was interesting almost refused to really criticise Max, the reporters pushed him he took the smallest of bites even during the week he somewhat defended Max, saying somthing like Champions been to feel like they are fighting adversity, it does feel like Toto is just keeping that door open just incase.

the switch to the in-wash based design (That Mercedes was previously dominant with), there is a possibility that George will probably have 2 or 3 WDC under his belt before Max is ever available in 2027-2028. But, who knows, we'll see how it unfolds.

Mercedes as a team didn't exist when inwash front wings were a thing....

In-wash in terms of design philosophy which the 2019-2021 Mercs were based on, not just the front wings and with the addition of the Flat squared-off floor design. Mercedes has to be extremely happy to switch back to this because they were already dominant with the W10, W11, and the late W12 using this.

[F1NAC]

the switch to the in-wash based design (That Mercedes was previously dominant with), there is a possibility that George will probably have 2 or 3 WDC under his belt before Max is ever available in 2027-2028. But, who knows, we'll see how it unfolds.

Mercedes as a team didn't exist when inwash front wings were a thing....

In-wash in terms of design philosophy which the 2019-2021 Mercs were based on, not just the front wings and with the addition of the Flat squared-off floor design. Mercedes has to be extremely happy to switch back to this because they were already dominant with the W10, W11, and the late W12 using this.

Thing that you are reffering to is maybe Y250 vortex which will not exist on these new wings. Those wings were outwash wings.

[Watto]

No they don't. Toto has already confirmed he's sticking with the current lineup.

Things can change there quickly though, yes I would say almost certainly George and Kimi will be their 2 drivers next year too but stranger things have happened; Thought Toto last week with the Max/George incident was interesting almost refused to really criticise Max, the reporters pushed him he took the smallest of bites even during the week he somewhat defended Max, saying somthing like Champions been to feel like they are fighting adversity, it does feel like Toto is just keeping that door open just incase.

Highly doubt Toto is keeping the door open. Given the rumors about the Mercedes engine in 2026 and the switch to the in-wash based design (That Mercedes was previously dominant with), there is a possibility that George will probably have 2 or 3 WDC under his belt before Max is ever available in 2027-2028. But, who knows, we'll see how it unfolds.

I doubt we will see Max there just Toto's comments seemed very diplomatic he hasn't really hesitated to have a dig and RBR or Horner in recent times but Max he kept his mouth shut when I think he could rightly had a free swing don't think he would have been out of line with last weeks incident.


I think it would be foolish for any TP to completely close the door on a driver like Max if he knocked on the door not saying they would sign him but as has been said been a lot of drivers that have shown signs they might be the best big thing but when its come to the crunch have struggled to take the step from winning races to WDC.

[basti313]

Thanks for the video! I really don’t see how GR could get penalised here !??

I mean you can see George filling the safety car, then looking in his mirror twice and slowing down sharply. You can see his head throwing forwards and the lap telemetry backs the braking up (no other braking behind the safety car).
Not to mention dropping more than 10 car lengths behind the safety car, something Perez was penalised for previously.

It’s interesting because we don’t see the same things in this video interesting how supporting different drivers and teams makes the rules slightly different ….

Anyway:
Article 55.5 rulebook states that “No car may be driven unnecessarily slowly, erratically or in a manner which could be deemed potentially dangerous to other drivers or any other person at any time whilst the Safety Car is deployed.


I don’t see any of this in the video?

As for the 10 car lengths… there is a yellow flag flashing at some point which is why GR leaves more space (than he should) between him and the safety car.

On the other hand Max is not allowed to pass GR under the safety car…

He did not pass.

For me the 10 car lengths issue is a bigger one. Stroll got a pen for much less this year. One barely could see the SC anymore after the pit exit...200 to 300m gap. That is around 40 car lengths...

Furthermore it puzzles me why Ver did not make an attempt to pass when Rus was going slow and left the gap to the SC. The SC2 line is where the track rejoins, so far away and there was plenty of space.

[chrisc90]

Point 16 is very interesting.



That’s their ruling about the last time I recall a penalty being handed out for failing to follow the 10 car gap rule

[Quantum]

https://ibb.co/RtK4Ks0

Point 16 is very interesting.



That’s their ruling about the last time I recall a penalty being handed out for failing to follow the 10 car gap rule

Let me help.

The lights were already extinguished?

[chrisc90]

Nope. Far as I’m aware the lights were still illuminated on the safety car

[Quantum]

Nope. Far as I’m aware the lights were still illuminated on the safety car

The instruction was that the safety car was going into the pits and for drivers to head over the finish line, therefore defacto Russell safety car.

Having reviewed the video, the lights on the safety car did not go off before it peeled off into the pitlane.
The first time I have ever seen that happen.

That's operational error on the part of the safety car as per their lights off mandate to alert everyone it's going into the pits.

Edit from Merc thread:(Adam Cooper)

I've heard that @redbullracing has withdrawn the protest about RUS being too far behind the safety car. In fact he was complying with another rule regarding a yellow flag delta, and in effect he wasn't able to keep up with the safety car.

[CMSMJ1]

Always the usual suspects. I’ll leave it at that.

Side note: Is RBR the least likable team on the grid?

Yup, almost like it's permissible.

Re your sidenote, it's almost company policy now to protest if they dont win. 2026 has the potential to be one long Horner complaint.

No, it's not.


Report and don't engage with the nonsense - that's the way to do it.

[Mandrake]

https://ibb.co/RtK4Ks0

Point 16 is very interesting.



That’s their ruling about the last time I recall a penalty being handed out for failing to follow the 10 car gap rule

The beauty of consistent stewarding. Oh wait.....