2016 Austrian Grand Prix - Spielberg, Fri 01 – Sun 03 Jul 2016

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Re: 2016 Austrian Grand Prix - Spielberg, Fri 01 – Sun 03 Jul 2016

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So RB was gambling with a wet race setup coz according to Q3 first times Ricci was fastest by far in the mixt conditions ... wink) ...
I know there aren`t much changes that could be made - nowadays - between a dry and a wet setup, but they could at least increase the AoA of the RW in order to have more DF and hence a possible one stop strategy, taking into account both drivers will start on the SS tyres tomorrow ... had it`s not a wet/damp race ...
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atanatizante wrote:What`s the race pace between the top drivers after FP3?
Regarding that Vettel said on Sky that he is very confident (race pace wise) starting in 9th place on the grid and having SS tyres ... what about Kimi starting on the same SS tyres on 4th and maybe 3rd from the grid?
The best result I see for Vettel is if he can grab 4th , 5th and 6th place at close. Anything better will be considered a good race and other than any of that its another usual result for Ferrari.
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There`s a one stop race for Ferrari and RB at least and why not Rosberg ... not so sure about FI and Williams and even maybe Lewis which he has a race to win now, hence taking a conservative 2 stop strategy if we'll have a dry race tomorrow ...
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According to Force India there shouldn't be any penalty since they informed the driver and have proof in the telemetry that he went off throttle.

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The prediction that I have heard so far; The Ultra Soft is good for around 12-14 laps and SS would last around 25 laps. These numbers are also quite a stretch. Today's rain would have washed out a lot of rubber, causing more grain on tyres for race.
So what are the possibilities?
Those starting with US: 2 Stopper
1. Stop by around 14th lap and then bolt another US to go until 28th lap and then a long drive for another 43 laps on SS? OR
2. Stop by around 14th lap and then bolt a set of SS and go until 39 and then bolt another SS and go all the way for the rest of 32 laps.

Those starting with SS: 2 Stopper
1. Stop by around 25th lap and then bolt another SS to go until 50th lap and then a good sprint on US for 21 laps on low fuel? OR
2. Stop by around 25th lap and then bolt a set of US and go until 39 and then bolt another SS and go all the way for the rest of 32 laps.

Anyway which way, 2 stopper is quite a stretch. And anyone who tries a one stopper would be a sitting duck, on a track that offers plenty of overtaking opportunities. I guess, a 3 stopper would be faster way for the race (US-US-US-SS), considering the graining and lack of rubber that would severely hurt the first stint.

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GPR-A wrote:The prediction that I have heard so far; The Ultra Soft is good for around 12-14 laps and SS would last around 25 laps. These numbers are also quite a stretch. Today's rain would have washed out a lot of rubber, causing more grain on tyres for race.
So what are the possibilities?
Those starting with US: 2 Stopper
1. Stop by around 14th lap and then bolt another US to go until 28th lap and then a long drive for another 43 laps on SS? OR
2. Stop by around 14th lap and then bolt a set of SS and go until 39 and then bolt another SS and go all the way for the rest of 32 laps.

Those starting with SS: 2 Stopper
1. Stop by around 25th lap and then bolt another SS to go until 50th lap and then a good sprint on US for 21 laps on low fuel? OR
2. Stop by around 25th lap and then bolt a set of US and go until 39 and then bolt another SS and go all the way for the rest of 32 laps.

Anyway which way, 2 stopper is quite a stretch. And anyone who tries a one stopper would be a sitting duck, on a track that offers plenty of overtaking opportunities. I guess, a 3 stopper would be faster way for the race (US-US-US-SS), considering the graining and lack of rubber that would severely hurt the first stint.
Agree on a 3 stopper. Start on a SS or US makes no real difference at this moment and Merc are not in any disadvantage. You have any idea on the SS to US lap time delta?

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wickedz50 wrote:Agree on a 3 stopper. Start on a SS or US makes no real difference at this moment and Merc are not in any disadvantage. You have any idea on the SS to US lap time delta?
In qualifying trim, the delta is around 6 to 8 tenths. But in races, it all depends upon each car's degradation process. Some can go longer than others on US/SS, depending on their preferred race setups. Because FP2 was a messy affair due to rain, it isn't even possible to gauge anything either.
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If you started on the SS and made it to lap 25, why wouldn't you use a set of softs and go to the end?

FYI though, Lewis saying much shorter than your numbers for the US:

"I hope I have an advantage at the start from being on the softer tyre. In practice, my tyre lasted for four laps. Nico says five, so definitely will be tricky and we will do the best we can with it."

http://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/hamil ... er-794743/

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f1316 wrote:If you started on the SS and made it to lap 25, why wouldn't you use a set of softs and go to the end?

FYI though, Lewis saying much shorter than your numbers for the US:

"I hope I have an advantage at the start from being on the softer tyre. In practice, my tyre lasted for four laps. Nico says five, so definitely will be tricky and we will do the best we can with it."

http://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/hamil ... er-794743/
We have heard these statements from drivers, isn't it? But have you ever seen them pitting after 5 laps, especially those who are front runners?

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The soft tire is going to be the preferred race tire, it's going to rain in the morning but should be nice and dry by race time. The degradation is going to be quite high and I expect at least two stops, probably US SS S or SS US S or US S SS or S SS US
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GPR-A wrote:
f1316 wrote:If you started on the SS and made it to lap 25, why wouldn't you use a set of softs and go to the end?

FYI though, Lewis saying much shorter than your numbers for the US:

"I hope I have an advantage at the start from being on the softer tyre. In practice, my tyre lasted for four laps. Nico says five, so definitely will be tricky and we will do the best we can with it."

http://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/hamil ... er-794743/
We have heard these statements from drivers, isn't it? But have you ever seen them pitting after 5 laps, especially those who are front runners?
I just read the article and Nico said it would be cooler so that should hopefully make the tires last longer. Remeber Monaco? I doubt they'll go 43 laps, but it definitely won't go off after 4-5 laps.
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It's usually best to start on the faster tyre. I don't think starting on the slower one is optimal, unless it's a known fact that rain will come at a lap beyond the life of the US.
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ringo wrote:It's usually best to start on the faster tyre. I don't think starting on the slower one is optimal, unless it's a known fact that rain will come at a lap beyond the life of the US.
Had we have a dry race tomorrow and after let`s say 5-6-7 laps it going to start raining who is gonna stay longer on the track before went on the inters/full wet tyres : those on US or SS tyre?
Or in another words, which tyre is better when the rain is starting: US or SS one?
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Re: 2016 Austrian Grand Prix - Spielberg, Fri 01 – Sun 03 Jul 2016

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given how quickly the rain comes and goes they would probably have to pit immediately

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Re: 2016 Austrian Grand Prix - Spielberg, Fri 01 – Sun 03 Jul 2016

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If the temperatures are really dropping to 12 degrees, the best tyre would be the one which can stay in the optimum working range.