2016 Austrian Grand Prix - Spielberg, Fri 01 – Sun 03 Jul 2016

[TAG]

Thinking out loud here, I asked the question in this thread Reduce tires pressure by increasing wheel temperatures?

I it possible that the further increased minimum pressures mandated by Pirelli this weekend is a major contributing factor pushing the suspension components past their limits when hitting these aggressive curbs?

[godlameroso]

I have ambient temperatures in the low 20's and depending on cloud cover could have track temperatures anywhere from 28-40 C

[GrizzleBoy]

Thinking out loud here, I asked the question in this thread Reduce tires pressure by increasing wheel temperatures?

I it possible that the further increased minimum pressures mandated by Pirelli this weekend is a major contributing factor pushing the suspension components past their limits when hitting these aggressive curbs?

Well, a large amount of an F1 cars suspension is in the tyre wall. Stiffen that and you work the suspension harder.

[Vasconia]

Spectacular qualy but taking into account Vettel´s and Rosberg´s positions I am afraid that Lewis will win quite easily. It was a pity because both drivers were very fast this weekend.

Amazing to see a Mclaren so high but if the race is on dry conditions he will suffer a lot.

Terrible day for the Spanish drivers my goodness!.

[ripper]

Button was helped by timing but he did an amazing job today

[SameSame]

That element's vibration was increasing a little bit just prior to the buckle. There didn't appear to be any excessive load at that time, although obviously we don't know what the actual load was there. Could it be an older element close to its life limit or some manufacturing fault?

Whatever, we'll know eventually.

High cyclical stress and resonance frequency caused it to buckle probably. I think the resonance frequency could have played the biggest role though.

That was my third thought after "ooops silly boy" and "damn baguette kerbs".
Could it be because of the new tyre regs, changing the dynamics just enough to lead to that sort of failure, possibly in conjunction with part age?

Definitely could be. Different pressures will produce different spring values for the system. Part age is tricky because fatigue life calculations will be very difficult. The part buckled which would normally happen under high axial loads and it didn't look like it was being loaded that heavily as you said, so best bet it was a series of unfortunate events that allowed that frequency to occur.

[iotar__]

High cyclical stress and resonance frequency caused it to buckle probably. I think the resonance frequency could have played the biggest role though.

That was my third thought after "ooops silly boy" and "damn baguette kerbs".
Could it be because of the new tyre regs, changing the dynamics just enough to lead to that sort of failure, possibly in conjunction with part age?

Definitely could be. Different pressures will produce different spring values for the system. Part age is tricky because fatigue life calculations will be very difficult. The part buckled which would normally happen under high axial loads and it didn't look like it was being loaded that heavily as you said, so best bet it was a series of unfortunate events that allowed that frequency to occur.

So now evil tyres are destroying suspensions? "Could be". Is it the one when 99% is 'could be something else' and 1% 'could be adjustments' to different tyre pressure in connection with 5 other factors but it's still 'definitely could be' ? Just because element exists and is talk of the moment.

"Different pressures will produce different spring values for the system. Part age is tricky because fatigue life calculations will be very difficult. " Why would it be very difficult with pressure X and not with pressure 0,8X? Pressure is constant, car parts are team's problem and responsibility. Why would be this theoretical old part with miscalculated age/fatigue/design on top of let's call them "forces outside of working range that destroy things" not solely responsible? The evidence: all the other cars acting fine in so many races with higher tyre pressure that varies with different tracks/tyre ranges and all the forces in the world.

[F1NAC]

Defintiely current conditions will boost Mercedes and their US strategy. if it stays cool.

[ripper]

What is weather forecast?

[proteus]

GP3 race was driven behind the safety car...

[Samraj_official]

so will it rain or its just gonna stay cool and dry??

[proteus]

I would say cool and wet without rain.

[SchuMassa]

so will it rain or its just gonna stay cool and dry??

It looks like there might be some rain just before the start, but as the weather is so unpredictable in the mountains, you can never tell...

[Schuttelberg]

so will it rain or its just gonna stay cool and dry??

It looks like there might be some rain just before the start, but as the weather is so unpredictable in the mountains, you can never tell...

If we get mixed conditions, we're in for a cracker. About time we got a brilliant race.

[diego.liv]

Rosberg 6th, still can't understand why all the complexity of FIA rules..basically, when they demoted Vettel to P9 he and Verstappen were virtually sharing the same grid spot, but with Verstappen the preferred one to move up? Same goes for Ricciardo and Rosberg? Stupid