2025 Canadian Grand Prix - Montreal, June 13 - 15

[hollus]

@seanspeed, @f1316:

Make your own thread. A token effort to talk about Canada 2025 here, please.

[Mogster]

Can someone explain to me why Norris didn't get penalty points on his SuperLicense ? In the recent past, IIRC, the people who have received penalty points for 'causing a collision' or 'pushing someone off track' :
- Verstappen
- Piastri
- Doohan
- Lawson
- Stroll
- Sainz

Is it because they all have the wrong passport ? Because people like Russel & Norris, have been 'not in control' and banged against other cars as well, but they have never been penalized on their licence. Norris got penalty for the Qatar 2024 blink-n-miss yellow flag, but other than that, yesterday's clunk was a clear case for Norris. So was Russel's bang into Verstappen in T1 Barcelona, when he braked too late and understeered after the SC restart. No license points in that case as well.

Why ? The whole system is more corrupt than warlord-ruled banana republics.

I can’t remember specifics but I do remember Brundle (or another of the Sky SMEs) remarking that team mate on team mate altercations tend to be viewed more sympathetically by the stewards.

I think the reasoning being that the teams will sort out those situations internally and the penalty for the team/driver is already high enough.

[SiLo]

Highly doubt Toto is keeping the door open. Given the rumors about the Mercedes engine in 2026 and the switch to the in-wash based design (That Mercedes was previously dominant with), there is a possibility that George will probably have 2 or 3 WDC under his belt before Max is ever available in 2027-2028. But, who knows, we'll see how it unfolds.

Mercedes have never been dominant with in-wash design. We haven't had in-wash since 2008, before the team even existed.

The W10, W11, and W12 were all an in-wash design when it came to how the airflow worked around the sidepods, towards the rear of the car. A similar philosophy that the W13 and launch W14 (Zero-Pod concept) were following.

In wash / out wash terminology is for the design of the front wing. All cars have in wash side pods as it makes the rear wing and diffuser more efficient. In fact, a lot of the general aero structures beyond the front wing haven't changed a whole lot for a long time. Keep the front tyre wake away from the floor / side of the floor, in wash coke bottle area, outwash front wing. The only thing that might have changed is using the sidepod to help build low pressure areas below the floor in lieu of barge boards and other sidepod appendages.

Back in 08 and earlier it was the same, except it was in wash front wings.

[ENGINE TUNER]

This is just pure embarrassment for the sport when teams behave like this and race outcomes aren’t final until 5-6 hours after the race. It has to end.

The #50 Ferrari was just disqualified from 4th place at le mans 2 days after race finish, is that also embarrassing, or is it the right thing to do?

[maxxer]

Toto reacted that it was a childish protest and probably Max didnt had anything to do with it. The team is just trying to throw people under the bus.
And now Max gets all the blame.
I think Max would say to the team if you want me to win give me a good car

[Starscreamer]

Toto reacted that it was a childish protest and probably Max didnt had anything to do with it. The team is just trying to throw people under the bus.
And now Max gets all the blame.
I think Max would say to the team if you want me to win give me a good car

Now Max gets all the blame.

??? I didn't read anywhere that anyone blamed Max for this.

[maxxer]

Toto reacted that it was a childish protest and probably Max didnt had anything to do with it. The team is just trying to throw people under the bus.
And now Max gets all the blame.
I think Max would say to the team if you want me to win give me a good car

Now Max gets all the blame.

??? I didn't read anywhere that anyone blamed Max for this.

Sorry the fans i mean, Max seemed pretty happy with 2nd and they all talked normally in the cooldown room

[pantherxxx]

Russell should have given 10 sec penalty for erratic driving, and unsportsmanlike behavior.



"If you look closely George was looking at his mirrors watching Verstappen. The very second Verstappen goes ahead, he immediately pressed the radio button. In fact he even had his thumb on the radio button 2 seconds before Verstappen passed him. George clearly knew what he was doing there."

[f1316]

A “wizard who can see the future” - or, in modern parlance, computer simulation which models the probability of events and defines the strategy accordingly. That’s literally what they all do already, you know that, right?

They also all already take the most cautious strategy - you know why? Because it has the highest probability of success. What I’m suggesting is that, by removing the opportunity of a “free” pit stop, you shift that probability to a more aggressive approach. Far from being more boring, it would mean (1) more pitstops (2) and much more importantly, the incentive to push during those shorter sprints, rather than eek out the tyres in case of an SC/VSC.

As I said before though , there doesn’t seem a lot of debating it since you seem to have your mind made up - and are getting increasingly worked up - and it’s not as if it’s something that’s likely to happen anyway

There is no computer in existence that can predict the timing of any safety car, let alone know when one might be a FULL safety car versus a virtual safety car.

I have my mind made up because it's blatantly just a bad idea for all the reasons I've outlined. You're the one who seems to be stubbornly arguing for it despite the obvious problems with it.

And no, teams do not always take the most cautious strategy. Teams gamble ALL THE TIME on more aggressive strategies trying to get ahead or make a play that will only pay off later in the race. F1 is absolutely not for the timid. Top tier sports in general require being bolder on strategy if you want to be(and remain) competitive. Sorry, but this is just again, not a good argument.

There is absolutely statistical modelling done on the likelihood of a safety car. That is not the same as *knowing* when one will come out but it is building the statistical probability into the strategy decision. It’s absolutely a thing and what they do. If you remove that variable, you change the equation, that’s not arguable.

I don’t think the arguments you’ve made prove your point at all, but let’s just agree to disagree.