Mercedes AMG F1 Team 2012

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yener wrote:
xpensive wrote:Don't know really, nothing would beat hearing The Horner complaining that despite their dog for an engine, the chassis is aerodynamically way too slippery, creating xcessive terminal speeds, which is destroying those Pirellis during braking?
Could be, but I think the problem is more on acceleration getting out of the corner. Lack of grip at the rear, car get shaky the tyres shuffle on the floor which creathe high temperatures.

But the car is not bad. They just need to find more consistancy so they can end 9 and 10th every race.
Unfortunately it's not that easy that the car is not good enough in acceleration and/or breaking. Just have a look at their two best results, China and Monaco. Both track have slow corners where massive accelerations are crucial.

I think they need a lot of factors to come together and they are still competitive with this car. They need to minimize the sensitivity to these factors and they will be much more consistent. At the last few races there were just too much factors that didn't give them an easy time, that's why it was looks like they falling down the field. Probably Hungary was the worst case with those 180° corners and short straights.

Looks like they need the combinations of some of these circumstances to make better results:
- track characteristics that contains mostly slow to medium speed corners where they don't have to spend too much time (e.g. where the car can't tend to understeer)
- Have consistent temperatures during the weekend as much as possible (preferably with lower track temperatures)
- At least two long straights where they can reap the fruit of their DDRS and can make better car setups.

The biggest problem is that it's easier to make a list (a much shorter list) of circumstances where they are excel, than the opposite. But that's why I disagree with lot of you guys here in the forum. At least this year we can make some lists. Try to compare it to the first two years when the team was absolutely hopeless of making the podium.

So all in all this team is going forward and will slowly minimize the car's weak points to give us some good results at the second half of the season.
Michael Schumacher: When you start out in a team, you have to get the teamwork going and then you get something back.

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One more thing from the second half of the season.

If we look at the characteristics of the coming tracks maybe Japan will be the worst track for them, or Austin.

What are your opinions?
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at this time there is no straight line speed strength ,no high speed cornering and a big appetite for rubber ...so which of the races coming up would play into their hands?
I think they need a decent miracle maybe in the form of a big rainy cloud following them to all the racetracks they have to visit...

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marcush. wrote:at this time there is no straight line speed strength ,no high speed cornering and a big appetite for rubber ...so which of the races coming up would play into their hands?
I think they need a decent miracle maybe in the form of a big rainy cloud following them to all the racetracks they have to visit...
Either that, or they'll need to have brought a totally re-vamped car.

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zyphro wrote:
marcush. wrote:at this time there is no straight line speed strength ,no high speed cornering and a big appetite for rubber ...so which of the races coming up would play into their hands?
I think they need a decent miracle maybe in the form of a big rainy cloud following them to all the racetracks they have to visit...
Either that, or they'll need to have brought a totally re-vamped car.
The big rainy cloud is more realistic... [-o<

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Ganxxta wrote:
zyphro wrote:
marcush. wrote:at this time there is no straight line speed strength ,no high speed cornering and a big appetite for rubber ...so which of the races coming up would play into their hands?
I think they need a decent miracle maybe in the form of a big rainy cloud following them to all the racetracks they have to visit...
Either that, or they'll need to have brought a totally re-vamped car.
The big rainy cloud is more realistic... [-o<
So true.

@ Zyphro Mercedes is not the best team when it comes to in-season development. I expect no fireworks from them for Spa or other races this season (I really really want to be proved wrong as a fan), but the evidence is against them, you know.
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Ganxxta wrote:
zyphro wrote:
marcush. wrote:at this time there is no straight line speed strength ,no high speed cornering and a big appetite for rubber ...so which of the races coming up would play into their hands?
I think they need a decent miracle maybe in the form of a big rainy cloud following them to all the racetracks they have to visit...
Either that, or they'll need to have brought a totally re-vamped car.
The big rainy cloud is more realistic... [-o<
Neither are really.

The rain doesn't like to fall on a Sunday, it seems :x .

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Morteza wrote:
@ Zyphro Mercedes is not the best team when it comes to in-season development. I expect no fireworks from them for Spa or other races this season (I really really want to be proved wrong as a fan), but the evidence is against them, you know.
I agree.

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I think them brains inside Mercedes Grand prix are setup wrogly the single guy who really seems to have a straight head is Schumacher these days..but obviously he cannot engineer the car.

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Oh guys you are so pessimistic about the prospects. :D

Maybe Merc fans have learned enough in the last few years to not being optimistic at halfway of the season. :|

But you know what? I'm still hoping to see some great upgrades. It will come or not, I still expect they will go well in most of the coming races. Time will tell...
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I really wish this team could defy the odds; I can't see it happening though.

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zyphro wrote:I really wish this team could defy the odds; I can't see it happening though.
I'm not sure if consider success for a team that includes names like Brawn, Haug, Fry, Bell, Willis, Costa, Bigois, Schumacher, Rosberg and most of all Mercedes, would mean "defy the odds"?
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That would make the team now known as Mercedes AMG Petronas a sort of "kryptonite" to success. Frankly, that makes sense, too.

Go Brackley-based F1 team!

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bhallg2k wrote: ...
Go Brackley-based F1 team!
They should relocate back to Ockham if you ask me, as in ockham's razor...
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That, too, makes sense. Ferrari's, and thus Costa's, greatest strength seems to be the ability to make tried-and-true concepts work extremely well. Along those same lines, the BGP 001 was at its best during the beginning of 2009 when everything was relatively simple. As it all got more and more complicated, the BGP 001 became less and less competitive.

So, it does seem logical that Mercedes could improve if they rediscovered the elegance of simplicity. But, can that happen with three chiefs who may think their collective ability can engineer their way out of any problems?