Belgian GP 2011 - Spa-Francorchamps

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HAM and MAL will go on a fishing trip, and Button will pull the boat.

What where McLaren thinking????????????????????
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beelsebob wrote:
flynfrog wrote:
beelsebob wrote: Uhhh, which corner are they in – they're on the straight between LaSource and Eau Rouge!
watch the video they hit on the exit of a corner im not going to draw you a diagram.
You're claiming that Hamilton overtaking cleanly, on his fast lap should warrant a penalty?
I wouldn't call that clean they did touch but no. Im saying the game of chicken him and maldo played should result in a stern talking to and a strongly worded letter.

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What REALLY caught me out is Vettel (I think) was faster in S1 and S3 than Hamilton; and slower in S2. The OPPOSITE of what you would expect normally. Anyone have trap figures? I'd love to see the top speeds of the top 3 qualifiers
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raymondu999 wrote:I think the important thing is that on entry Lewis was clean (not in contact). Maldo then either had to turn in later; or he would have had contact.

And this is from someone critical of his Canada/Monaco travails
agree completely. But I will say that when Pastor Maldodumass came up to the side Lewis should have hit the brakes instead holdong it on and playing chicken with an idiot who has nothing to lose. Maldonado shouldn't be allowed to start the race, but Parc Ferme' should apply to Lewis still.
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Ridiculous move of Maldonado if you ask me, Hamilton even moved out of his way after the finish! Maldonado should be penalized for this, if he is not then it is pretty clear that Mansell is a biased steward. An 'race accident' is one thing, and a thing that is most of the time penalized, but just hitting someone is just ridiculous, Maldonado should get a severe penalty for that. Apart from that here he clearly shows that he is not ready to drive F1.
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flynfrog wrote:
gridwalker wrote: I'm the one who called for Maldonado's license to be revoked and I'm no Hamilton fan, believe me. Maldonado was the one overtaking, the session was over and MAldonado was under no compunction to start on that set of tyres : there was no reason for him to be anywhere near that close to Hamilton or the racing line, full stop.

Sometimes the dislike of Hamilton can have exactly the same effect on post quality as fanboyism, so I think people should stop trying to justify what was a reckless and outright dangerous manoeuvre.
I like Hamilton most of his fans however....

Like I said both drivers need an ego check but not there license pulled.
And yet week in week out you continue to spout bollox and accuse everyone else of being fanbois. You really need to get a grip.

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To be honest Im thinking that p2 might be a better starting position.

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I'm very very sad. This weekend and this qualifying would have been a beatiful McLaren weekend. Instead of we got a fatal strategy mistake and a damaged Hamilton's car. :| :| Despite on this he took the second place on the grid that is
wonderful.

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flynfrog wrote:
Sebp wrote:
flynfrog wrote:the stewards will deiced that his practice time was fast enough to let him in
Ah, ok. Thx
this is not a written rule just a guess by me they tend to do it when a popular driver doesn't make the 107%
It IS a written rule : the steward's discretion allowance has been around since the first time the 107% rule was used, to allow for exceptional circumstances.

Also, to simplify debate about Hamilton & Maldonado, can people PLEASE state whether they are talking about :
A) Hamilton overtaking Maldonado at the end of P2
or
B) Maldonado and Hamilton colliding and breaking Hamilton's front wing

This thread is confusing enough already!
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Video does show Hamilton running into Maldonado. I am sure the steward will be looking at the telemetry to see if Lewis does purposely turn into Maldonado

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Pierce89 wrote:
raymondu999 wrote:I think the important thing is that on entry Lewis was clean (not in contact). Maldo then either had to turn in later; or he would have had contact.

And this is from someone critical of his Canada/Monaco travails
agree completely. But I will say that when Pastor Maldodumass came up to the side Lewis should have hit the brakes instead holdong it on and playing chicken with an idiot who has nothing to lose. Maldonado shouldn't be allowed to start the race, but Parc Ferme' should apply to Lewis still.
The rules will apply and as always will allow changing of broken or damaged parts with the FIAs permission. Most teams actually change a list of parts between quali and the race every race weekend - it's a myth that they can't work on the cars.

Lewis shouldn't have needed to brake - no driver should have to drive around assuming that others are going to try and deliberately hit them.

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CHT wrote:Video does show Hamilton running into Maldonado. I am sure the steward will be looking at the telemetry to see if Lewis does purposely turn into Maldonado
No it does not. The video shows Hamilton following the curve of the track (equidistant from the left hand side at all times), whereas Maldonado moves from right to left absolutely miles off the racing line (which is to hug the right hand side).

On board will confirm it I'm sure, but there's absolutely no way anyone can spin this as Lewis hitting the other car or making a swipe at him.

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raymondu999 wrote:What REALLY caught me out is Vettel (I think) was faster in S1 and S3 than Hamilton; and slower in S2. The OPPOSITE of what you would expect normally. Anyone have trap figures? I'd love to see the top speeds of the top 3 qualifiers
Vettel was the whole weekend very fast in S1 and S3, right the opposite of Mark Webber who was alle the way fast through S2. I bet they are on different setups.

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MrBlacky wrote:
raymondu999 wrote:What REALLY caught me out is Vettel (I think) was faster in S1 and S3 than Hamilton; and slower in S2. The OPPOSITE of what you would expect normally. Anyone have trap figures? I'd love to see the top speeds of the top 3 qualifiers
Vettel was the whole weekend very fast in S1 and S3, right the opposite of Mark Webber who was alle the way fast through S2. I bet they are on different setups.
Agree, which does explain some of Webber's clear advantage in the wet earlier in the session.

Hamilton lost a lot of time in S1 on his fastest lap, presumably from a small mistake. Probably cost him pole as he was a fair bit quicker in S2 and a shade slower in S3, but great lap from Vettel none the less (as much as it pains me to say it).

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raymondu999 wrote:What REALLY caught me out is Vettel (I think) was faster in S1 and S3 than Hamilton; and slower in S2. The OPPOSITE of what you would expect normally. Anyone have trap figures? I'd love to see the top speeds of the top 3 qualifiers
We have to admit at this point of year, given the results in Canada (when dry), in Valencia and here in SPA that Red Bull is faster on the straights than McLaren, while the last seems better on high downforce circuits like Nurburgring and Hungaroring ...

Monza could be a very difficult track for McL and, very strangly, Red Bull territory ...