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Sebastian Vettel has won the Belgian GP in his usual dominant fashion, especially in the second half of the race. Mark Webber came in second, completing a perfect result for Red Bull. Jenson Button had a great drive to 3rd while Alonso finishes a solid fourth.
raymondu999 wrote:What REALLY caught me out is Vettel (I think) was faster in S1 and S3 than Hamilton; and slower in S2. The OPPOSITE of what you would expect normally. Anyone have trap figures? I'd love to see the top speeds of the top 3 qualifiers
YOu have been here long enough to know that nobody worth reading posts anymore and the forum has slipped into another autosport. I just use it to pass the time now.myurr wrote:
And yet week in week out you continue to spout bollox and accuse everyone else of being fanbois. You really need to get a grip.
Oh? Why is that? Bearing in mind that there wouldn't really be a clean/dirty side at Spa (diagonal pit straight) and the pole side (I believe) is on the inside of the cornerflynfrog wrote:To be honest Im thinking that p2 might be a better starting position.
Mark is only .7 kph down in the traps. I believe the speed traps this year only cover their DRS-closed top speed, but I could be wrong.MrBlacky wrote:Vettel was the whole weekend very fast in S1 and S3, right the opposite of Mark Webber who was alle the way fast through S2. I bet they are on different setups.raymondu999 wrote:What REALLY caught me out is Vettel (I think) was faster in S1 and S3 than Hamilton; and slower in S2. The OPPOSITE of what you would expect normally. Anyone have trap figures? I'd love to see the top speeds of the top 3 qualifiers
What damage? You mean the endplates skidding as the car was porpoising?Banki wrote:Can the McLaren repair Hamilton car completely? or does Hamilton have to race this damaged car?
repair under parc fermee rulesBanki wrote:Can the McLaren repair Hamilton car completely? or does Hamilton have to race this damaged car?
will need to look at the telemetry. At 0.05 it does look like Hamilton made an abrupt right steer to hit Maldonado.myurr wrote:No it does not. The video shows Hamilton following the curve of the track (equidistant from the left hand side at all times), whereas Maldonado moves from right to left absolutely miles off the racing line (which is to hug the right hand side).CHT wrote:Video does show Hamilton running into Maldonado. I am sure the steward will be looking at the telemetry to see if Lewis does purposely turn into Maldonado
On board will confirm it I'm sure, but there's absolutely no way anyone can spin this as Lewis hitting the other car or making a swipe at him.
I am interested to see how this turns out in the race with no free DRS use...Webber and Hamilton can pull a decent gap among others in the long second sector as they seem to run a bit more downforce.If they find themselves following they can take advantage of the DRS+Kers to cover the straight line deficit.MrBlacky wrote:Vettel was the whole weekend very fast in S1 and S3, right the opposite of Mark Webber who was alle the way fast through S2. I bet they are on different setups.raymondu999 wrote:What REALLY caught me out is Vettel (I think) was faster in S1 and S3 than Hamilton; and slower in S2. The OPPOSITE of what you would expect normally. Anyone have trap figures? I'd love to see the top speeds of the top 3 qualifiers
This is not true. In the video a couple pages back, Hamilton clearly gets further from the outside edge of the track. I don't think Hamilton was trying to ram Maldonado, but show the Venezuelan he won't be bullied. Alas, it all went wrong.I repeat, I do NOT BLAME Hamilton but he clearly turns toward the middle of the track.myurr wrote:No it does not. The video shows Hamilton following the curve of the track (equidistant from the left hand side at all times), whereas Maldonado moves from right to left absolutely miles off the racing line (which is to hug the right hand side).CHT wrote:Video does show Hamilton running into Maldonado. I am sure the steward will be looking at the telemetry to see if Lewis does purposely turn into Maldonado
On board will confirm it I'm sure, but there's absolutely no way anyone can spin this as Lewis hitting the other car or making a swipe at him.
I don't get that. Where is Sector 2/3 speed trap? And why are Lewis/Webber so down in S3?Traction wrote:raymondu999 wrote:What REALLY caught me out is Vettel (I think) was faster in S1 and S3 than Hamilton; and slower in S2. The OPPOSITE of what you would expect normally. Anyone have trap figures? I'd love to see the top speeds of the top 3 qualifiers
Sec 1 speed....vet...316.....Ham.....305.....Web.....316
Sec 2 ....204.......204.......226
Sec 3.....316.........201......218.
Poleman wrote:I am interested to see how this turns out in the race with no free DRS use...Webber and Hamilton can pull a decent gap among others in the long second sector as they seem to run a bit more downforce.If they find themselves following they can take advantage of the DRS+Kers to cover the straight line deficit.MrBlacky wrote:However though I believe that their DRS's are of similar quality now; and that top speed in quali is representative of top speed in the race without DRS (i.e. both will be disadvantaged by relatively the same amount)raymondu999 wrote:What REALLY caught me out is Vettel (I think) was faster in S1 and S3 than Hamilton; and slower in S2. The OPPOSITE of what you would expect normally. Anyone have trap figures? I'd love to see the top speeds of the top 3 qualifiers
Vettel was the whole weekend very fast in S1 and S3, right the opposite of Mark Webber who was alle the way fast through S2. I bet they are on different setups.
Have you got any information that Hamilton has an other Spa spec. front wing?FrukostScones wrote:repair under parc fermee rulesBanki wrote:Can the McLaren repair Hamilton car completely? or does Hamilton have to race this damaged car?
I agree CHT not saying either are innocent here Maldo did push hammy wide but it looks like a pretty sharp turn in on Hamms part.CHT wrote:
will need to look at the telemetry. At 0.05 it does look like Hamilton made an abrupt right steer to hit Maldonado.
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Really? Why at the end of the impact are maldonado's wheels touching the left hand white line on the track then? It's clear which driver is the one moving over.Pierce89 wrote:This is not true. In the video a couple pages back, Hamilton clearly gets further from the outside edge of the track. I don't think Hamilton was trying to ram Maldonado, but show the Venezuelan he won't be bullied. Alas, it all went wrong.myurr wrote:No it does not. The video shows Hamilton following the curve of the track (equidistant from the left hand side at all times), whereas Maldonado moves from right to left absolutely miles off the racing line (which is to hug the right hand side).CHT wrote:Video does show Hamilton running into Maldonado. I am sure the steward will be looking at the telemetry to see if Lewis does purposely turn into Maldonado
On board will confirm it I'm sure, but there's absolutely no way anyone can spin this as Lewis hitting the other car or making a swipe at him.