You seem to kinda suck at subtraction. Lewis's first pit stop was 1 second slower than Nico's alone. His second was 2 seconds slower. That's a 3 second difference in pit stops, not a 1 second one.henra wrote:Ok, then he maybe lost 1s. Still he was more than 2s in front after the second stop. He would have ended up behind Rosberg anyway. That was my point. And with the lap time difference of 0,1 - 0,2s at best he wouldn't have been able to overtake in normal conditions.
No one is contesting that Lewis threw away a lot in Q3, but that doesn't change the fact that he probably would have won were it not for his pit stops being very slow.Conclusio: He threw it away in Q3.
In BOTH stops, Mercedes placed Lewis behind a Williams car by losing him 1s each time.henra wrote:Ok, then he maybe lost 1s ( a normal good stop is 3s ish). Still he was more than 2s in front after the second stop. He would have ended up behind Rosberg anyway. That was my point. And with the lap time difference of 0,1 - 0,2s at best he wouldn't have been able to overtake in normal conditions.beelsebob wrote: It's not a 0.5s faster stop that would have changed it - it's a 2 second faster stop that would have saved it. Lewis' second stop was 4 seconds.
Conclusio: He threw it away in Q3.
And what makes you believe Rosberg was on max pace?zeph wrote:Well, Hamilton was told several times to lay off and nurse the brakes. He certainly had the pace to overtake Rosberg, but was told not to. Only at the very end was he given the green light.
The fact that Lewis got into DRS range at the end. Had he had anything left, he would not have let Lewis do that.henra wrote:And what makes you believe Rosberg was on max pace?zeph wrote:Well, Hamilton was told several times to lay off and nurse the brakes. He certainly had the pace to overtake Rosberg, but was told not to. Only at the very end was he given the green light.
Could it be he managed brakes and electronic temps as well?
The only scenario where that time lost in the pits would matter, would be if Hamilton would/could get out infront of Nico after the pitstop. And that just wasn't the case. He was always too far behind and he was too slow to overtake.henra wrote:Ok, then he maybe lost 1s. Still he was more than 2s in front after the second stop. He would have ended up behind Rosberg anyway. That was my point. And with the lap time difference of 0,1 - 0,2s at best he wouldn't have been able to overtake in normal conditions.beelsebob wrote: It's not a 0.5s faster stop that would have changed it - it's a 2 second faster stop that would have saved it. Lewis' second stop was 4 seconds.
Conclusio: He threw it away in Q3.
Wasn't it? Even if you ignore the first stop, Lewis would have been along side Nico with a decent second stop.Bomber_Pilot wrote:The only scenario where that time lost in the pits would matter, would be if Hamilton would/could get out infront of Nico after the pitstop. And that just wasn't the case. He was always too far behind and he was too slow to overtake.henra wrote:Ok, then he maybe lost 1s. Still he was more than 2s in front after the second stop. He would have ended up behind Rosberg anyway. That was my point. And with the lap time difference of 0,1 - 0,2s at best he wouldn't have been able to overtake in normal conditions.beelsebob wrote: It's not a 0.5s faster stop that would have changed it - it's a 2 second faster stop that would have saved it. Lewis' second stop was 4 seconds.
Conclusio: He threw it away in Q3.
After about 30 laps in the final stint and when they caught a backmarker....beelsebob wrote:The fact that Lewis got into DRS range at the end. Had he had anything left, he would not have let Lewis do that.henra wrote:And what makes you believe Rosberg was on max pace?zeph wrote:Well, Hamilton was told several times to lay off and nurse the brakes. He certainly had the pace to overtake Rosberg, but was told not to. Only at the very end was he given the green light.
Could it be he managed brakes and electronic temps as well?
Right... No one is claiming Lewis had a huge advantage (just a small one). But that doesn't change that Nico clearly had no more left. If he had had more left, the margin would not have reduced, simple as that.LionKing wrote:After about 30 laps in the final stint and when they caught a backmarker....
Why do we ignore the time Lewis gained due to being given the undercut instead of Rosberg?beelsebob wrote: If you include the first stop, Lewis could have been a full second ahead after the second stop.
Woah where's the always and hate in what I say. I don't hate the fact he won im stating an opinion, and now I've cooled down Nico drove a great race, Hamilton would have got this one in the bag if he had messed it up on Saturday. and since when does who you support have to do with a valid point?, I just like the fact they call the cars silver arrowsPierce89 wrote:If you're a Merc fan as your name implies, why do you always hate it when Nico wins?SilverArrow10 wrote: Gladly, 0.9 on first stop, 1.0 in the second. Comes out 1.9 behind. Do the maths, with momentum on warmed up tires. great race though, get France back now we have Austria.
That's true. But that wouldn't have changed if the length of the pit stops had changed.LionKing wrote:Why do we ignore the time Lewis gained due to being given the undercut instead of Rosberg?beelsebob wrote: If you include the first stop, Lewis could have been a full second ahead after the second stop.
If his second pit stop was 4s then it was 1s slower.beelsebob wrote: You seem to kinda suck at subtraction. Lewis's first pit stop was 1 second slower than Nico's alone. His second was 2 seconds slower. That's a 3 second difference in pit stops, not a 1 second one.
No, Rosberg had sub 3 second stops. Once again, you're failing at subtraction.henra wrote:If his second pit stop was 4s then it was 1s slower.beelsebob wrote: You seem to kinda suck at subtraction. Lewis's first pit stop was 1 second slower than Nico's alone. His second was 2 seconds slower. That's a 3 second difference in pit stops, not a 1 second one.
We heard during the race that Nico had used much more from his tyres than Lewis, despite Lewis following other cars. It's clear (at least to me) that Nico did not have more pace.It was noticeable at the end that Rosberg kept the gap around 1,3s. He managed the pace. Any gain from the first pit stop wouldn't have carried over necessarily.