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[McMrocks]

In FP1 you could see clear that Button`s mirror are splitted in 2 parts ...
Could this be aloud? Unfortunately I didn`t found any picture ...

did u see any other updates? I couldn't see any update...
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No update on MP4-27, the big update will be at silverstone.

Germany is the race to be looking out for.

i think they bring the big update in brazil

Are they bankrupt or sth else???? No updates

[Just_a_fan]

Why would the upper wishbone have to be stronger in a pullrod configuration? I dont get that.

In a pushrod design, the pushrod takes most of the compressive loads from the wheel; the upper wishbone only needs to take enough load to stop the wheel rotating in at the top.

In a pullrod design, the upper wish bone takes all of the compressive loads, particularly the upper rear arm.

[Huntresa]

Are they bankrupt or sth else???? No updates

Just because you cant see the updates doesnt mean they arent there.....

[ringo]

The front pullrod would benefit the flow to radiators and around sidepod. It's marginal but a benefit nonetheless.

Mclaren need a stepped nose if they want to win the championship.
There's no getting around the fact that the other front runners have better aerodynamics due to the underside of the nose being much higher, and also the upper-side being less convex.
Given equal understanding of the tyres, Mclraren will be a small step back when it comes to degradation performance.

The mclaren has a low pressure zone on the nose transisition to the cockpit. It's an inherent disadvantage. You can't make room for compromises nowadays. It should have been eliminated during the product development cycle.
I hope they come good with a stepped nose car.

[marcush.]

One has to consider it´s not always the same car they are losing against and they have finished two times as winners so that´s no worse than Ferrari or RedBull .
A bit worrying the fact that Button has hit a patch were he seems unable to extract everything from the car but that befell ALL other teams as well at times this year.
The car is good and quick ...more to gain by NOT dropping the ball during the race ...Mclarenhas let their drivers down with pitstop issues and both drivers have already run into errors or misjudged situatiuons costing a fair chunk of points .

[N12ck]

The front pullrod would benefit the flow to radiators and around sidepod. It's marginal but a benefit nonetheless.

Mclaren need a stepped nose if they want to win the championship.
There's no getting around the fact that the other front runners have better aerodynamics due to the underside of the nose being much higher, and also the upper-side being less convex.
Given equal understanding of the tyres, Mclraren will be a small step back when it comes to degradation performance.

The mclaren has a low pressure zone on the nose transisition to the cockpit. It's an inherent disadvantage. You can't make room for compromises nowadays. It should have been eliminated during the product development cycle.
I hope they come good with a stepped nose car.

I must agree, I believe mclaren do need a step nose if they want to win this year, with a low nose you starve the rear and end up with lower df on the rear than other cars, which therefore means the tyres will degrade quicker on the rear

[Lycoming]

You can't make room for compromises nowadays.

But everything in racecar design is a compromise...

[aral]

I must agree, I believe mclaren do need a step nose if they want to win this year, with a low nose you starve the rear and end up with lower df on the rear than other cars, which therefore means the tyres will degrade quicker on the rear

Hold on! Read back on this thread, and it was not that long ago before all the McLaren fans, were bragging that the low nose was the way to go, and they were laughing at the teams that had a high nose, on their cars. So where have all the experts gone to?

[Owen.C93]

I must agree, I believe mclaren do need a step nose if they want to win this year, with a low nose you starve the rear and end up with lower df on the rear than other cars, which therefore means the tyres will degrade quicker on the rear

Hold on! Read back on this thread, and it was not that long ago before all the McLaren fans, were bragging that the low nose was the way to go, and they were laughing at the teams that had a high nose, on their cars. So where have all the experts gone to?

They said what needed to be said. No need to say it in the middle of the season for no reason.

[beelsebob]

I must agree, I believe mclaren do need a step nose if they want to win this year, with a low nose you starve the rear and end up with lower df on the rear than other cars, which therefore means the tyres will degrade quicker on the rear

Hold on! Read back on this thread, and it was not that long ago before all the McLaren fans, were bragging that the low nose was the way to go, and they were laughing at the teams that had a high nose, on their cars. So where have all the experts gone to?

Really? If you read back you actually see a large number of people saying "are we sure that's the way to go", in both directions. The reality of the situation is that none of us know the precise details of what a high or low nose does for a car, all we have to go on is Gary Anderson saying "this looks pretty dumb to me" (or something along those lines).

So... Rather than whining about it, lets just see what comes, and see what effect it has.

[Crucial_Xtreme]

Really? If you read back you actually see a large number of people saying "are we sure that's the way to go", in both directions. The reality of the situation is that none of us know the precise details of what a high or low nose does for a car, all we have to go on is Gary Anderson saying "this looks pretty dumb to me" (or something along those lines).

So... Rather than whining about it, lets just see what comes, and see what effect it has.

+1

A lot of MaCa fans did for sure question going with the low nose, wondering if the team made the right choice. Of course there were some die hard fans who claimed of course it was the right way to go, but you have that type no matter the team. Most objective fans did ask and wonder though.

It will be interesting to see how the McLaren advances from Silverstone through the rest of the year.

[N12ck]

I must agree, I believe mclaren do need a step nose if they want to win this year, with a low nose you starve the rear and end up with lower df on the rear than other cars, which therefore means the tyres will degrade quicker on the rear

Hold on! Read back on this thread, and it was not that long ago before all the McLaren fans, were bragging that the low nose was the way to go, and they were laughing at the teams that had a high nose, on their cars. So where have all the experts gone to?

And can I say, I was not one of them people, I looked at the nose and wondered why they didn't go with the step nose but did not say for or against the nose they had and after looking at the evidence of the season so far, I arrived at the conclusion that the step nose is the way to go, but we will see from silverstone onwards if they do go for a step nose, and indeed if it is the correct solution

[Chuckjr]

Won't suddenly going to a step nose mid season present a whole nuther set of variables that only track time (which nobody has much of) will be able to resolve? With JB struggling hard right now, and he as the better car developer (so I've read here), will this present an even more elusive solution? I'm wondering if this switch to a step nose is more of a panic button than natural development of the car. I've read in these forums that major chassis changes mid season are not faborable. Is this a wise choice from Macca?

[Owen.C93]

Maybe. I don't think they will change the chassis personally.

[Crucial_Xtreme]

Won't suddenly going to a step nose mid season present a whole nuther set of variables that only track time (which nobody has much of) will be able to resolve? With JB struggling hard right now, and he as the better car developer (so I've read here), will this present an even more elusive solution? I'm wondering if this switch to a step nose is more of a panic button than natural development of the car. I've read in these forums that major chassis changes mid season are not faborable. Is this a wise choice from Macca?

You bring up some good points, but if they switched to a proper stepped nose, I wouldn't classify it as hitting the panic button. I'd classify it as an evolution/another step of the current nose that was raised in Mugello. I'm not so sure they'll switch and raise the nose, but sure would be interesting if they did. But then we get into other parts of your post. Let's see what happens.