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[beelsebob]

I think he means something like a flat jacking plate with a ram underneath - the driver simply drives over it and the 'jack man' pushes a hydraulic cylinder down remotely?

How would the jacking plate magically be able to get down to 0mm above the ground for the car to drive onto?

[PlatinumZealot]

Just watch the car on Friday... hehee.. you will see things that will give the hint. And no, talking out of my ass is impossible.

Either you know something or you don't.

This seems a step back from the high nose you were predicting.

If you have some information to share, share it. But it safer to save face and wait to see what they bring and say that's what you "heard" from your source, I mean, I could do that.

I heard from a bloke down the pub near the McLaren works that on Friday you'll see something that you haven't seen before. Remember, you heard it here first!

My source maybe not 100% all the time.. but he has a good nose. http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/100914

"We have another package coming for Germany which visually is a bigger package of changes. It will be more noticeable.

You see pally?

[Owen.C93]

Something is spring loaded on the brake cooling.

[wesley123]

Just watch the car on Friday... hehee.. you will see things that will give the hint. And no, talking out of my ass is impossible.

Either you know something or you don't.

This seems a step back from the high nose you were predicting.

If you have some information to share, share it. But it safer to save face and wait to see what they bring and say that's what you "heard" from your source, I mean, I could do that.

I heard from a bloke down the pub near the McLaren works that on Friday you'll see something that you haven't seen before. Remember, you heard it here first!

My source maybe not 100% all the time.. but he has a good nose. http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/100914

"We have another package coming for Germany which visually is a bigger package of changes. It will be more noticeable.

You see pally?

There is no mention at all of a new tub with the hump that will raise the whole tub around 2 cm. I dont see how you see this as proof? They are having a large update, no mention of a new tub

[PNSD]

Wasn't it known, well before that Germany would see the larger update? Or least more visual?

A new tub though? They have previously tested for a higher chassis but they said it was for 2013, right?

[PlatinumZealot]

That's the thing.. they won't tell us! So you have to follow your instincts. Even Georgio Piola gets it wrong more than half the time. This game is for the bold.

Something is spring loaded on the brake cooling.

Interesting... There is a hydrylic cylinder at the bottom. You can see the bleed line. The spring looks like the return spring. You can see a boss that presumably attaches to some cowling or the like.
At the top there is a torsion spring. I think that activates a side flap that opens like a door.

[Shakeman]

That's the thing.. they won't tell us! So you have to follow your instincts. Even Georgio Piola gets it wrong more than half the time. This game is for the bold.

"...they won't tell us!" Really?

So what is it we'll be seeing on Friday that isn't in any of the photos so far?

Go on be BOLD.

[mozza_84]

Hamilton stated on sky sports that he excited by the upgrades going on this weekend so upgrades must be fairly significant regardless of wether they are visually reconisable.

[marcush.]

That's the thing.. they won't tell us! So you have to follow your instincts. Even Georgio Piola gets it wrong more than half the time. This game is for the bold.

Something is spring loaded on the brake cooling.

Interesting... There is a hydrylic cylinder at the bottom. You can see the bleed line. The spring looks like the return spring. You can see a boss that presumably attaches to some cowling or the like.
At the top there is a torsion spring. I think that activates a side flap that opens like a door.

the cylinder is not in its mounting position ? I´could imagine it belongs to the door or what ever it is on the inside shield towards the tyre.(just at the same height of the top inlet scoop ,the silver bit you can see a vertical axle methinks )

[PlatinumZealot]

That's the thing.. they won't tell us! So you have to follow your instincts. Even Georgio Piola gets it wrong more than half the time. This game is for the bold.

"...they won't tell us!" Really?

So what is it we'll be seeing on Friday that isn't in any of the photos so far?

Go on be BOLD.

It seems Some of them will be delayed till Germany due to manufacturing schedules. The big stuff which I heard will be for Silverstone are put off until Germany so there you go, I can't nail it all the time.

[PhillipM]

I think he means something like a flat jacking plate with a ram underneath - the driver simply drives over it and the 'jack man' pushes a hydraulic cylinder down remotely?

How would the jacking plate magically be able to get down to 0mm above the ground for the car to drive onto?

Use a pillow....

[bill shoe]

I think he means something like a flat jacking plate with a ram underneath - the driver simply drives over it and the 'jack man' pushes a hydraulic cylinder down remotely?

How would the jacking plate magically be able to get down to 0mm above the ground for the car to drive onto?

Use a pillow....

I think PhilipM has the right idea.

The lateral center of the car, particularly the T-tray front, drags near the ground with little or no clearance. However, by rule the sidepods are at least 50 mm above the ground. This creates lateral space on both sides of the car between the low center section and the tire tracks. This space extends the full length of the car.

Commercial car lifts are available with profiles as low as 100 mm. Surely F1 can do 50 mm or less. It simply has to be split into two parts to clear the center section. The hydraulic lines connecting the two sides could go over the pit area like the other pnuematic and electrical lines already do. This two-sided lift would be activated by a remote hydraulic device exactly as PhilipM suggests.

Don't quibble the details. Is there a fundamental rule that would prevent this? Or do you think it's quicker, more reliable, and safer to have a front jackmen flailing around at the front during 2.9 second stops?

Edit: also credit to jason.parker.86

[Viscount]

Hey, long time lurker here finally decided to join the site. Anyway, came across this pic and it looks like McLaren may be testing a stepped nose at Silverstone.

[bhall]

How much can McLaren really gain from the added height of a stepped nose? And would that change be worth the fundamental shift in the car's dynamics that will result from the addition of a stepped nose?

They'll essentially be starting over with the MP4-27.

[nash929]

Hey, long time lurker here finally decided to join the site. Anyway, came across this pic and it looks like McLaren may be testing a stepped nose at Silverstone.

Guys, please correct me if i'm wrong, but doesn't the 2012 rule state there should not be any Aerodynamic device under the nose?