Ferrari's tyre management

[timbo]

When they go one stop less then Macca or RBR then we can talk about Ferrari being kinder on it´s tires allowing them to go longer on one set of tires then the rest.

The difference is not that dramatic, but in Germany Alonso was catching up near the end of the stints, while Hamilton was pulling away at the beginning. That tells something about how the cars (and drivers) treat their tyres.

[Mandrake]

Starting slower into the stint due to not getting the temperature up quickly enough will not lead to less tire wear.

I have not said that. Imagine the Trio has a window of 15 laps before they have to pit.
If Ferrari needs to laps for the tires to start working they will then pit on lap 17 compared to RBR or Mclaren who get the temp up on lap 1 and pit on lap 15.

In fact you do it there just again. You claim tires only wear down or deteriorate when they're at their optimum....but they always wear. If all had a window of 15 laps, they'd all have to pit after 15 laps, no matter how quickly they heat up the tires.

In fact the situation would be, McLaren have a window of 15 laps, RBR of 16 laps and Ferrari of 18 Laps...this is due to the Ferrari being kinder on the tires.

Why haven't we seen that in the race yet? Because Ferrari never ran in front of everyone else....that's why they had to react, because new tires are faster than old tires on the Ferrari, no matter how well they are treated! We will see this once Ferrari can pull away at the front and run longer than the competition!

[HampusA]

The difference is not that dramatic, but in Germany Alonso was catching up near the end of the stints, while Hamilton was pulling away at the beginning. That tells something about how the cars (and drivers) treat their tyres.

But that could also be because Hamilton as he got past Alonso took off like a pay check.

Alonso said himself that Hamilton was in front of him, then next thing you know Hamilton was 2 seconds ahead on track.
I think the Ferrari´s way of heating up the tires vs Hamilton just went into phsycho mode and took off like a bat out of hell.

So Hamilton could have used up alot of his tires instantly to get away from Alonso while Alonso had to wait until he could go 100% with tires in the optimum range.

[HampusA]

In fact the situation would be, McLaren have a window of 15 laps, RBR of 16 laps and Ferrari of 18 Laps...this is due to the Ferrari being kinder on the tires.

Is this an example like mine or do you have numbers or any form of proof that Mclaren takes care of the tires worst then RBR is in the middle and Ferrari the best?

Alonso had free air in Germany with hamilton ahead so he had more then a few occasions where he could show of the "superior" tire wear the Ferrari has.
Yet he did not.

[HampusA]

We will see in Hungary. A track that should fit the Ferrari splendid.
We can continue the discussion then if you like.

[Steven]

@HampusA, I don't think we need to discuss it further like this.

Why don't we ask someone who actually knows something about tyres... Jersey Tom, where are you?

[Jersey Tom]

I had originally made a long post here, which I am editing.

HampusA is right on in that so far this has been a purely speculative discussion with no real data or technical merit. To get to that point it Step 1 before discussing tire specifics.

So, first question - is there any place to get a dump of all the cars race lap times at any given event?

Also, my best short term advice: Don't listen to what the drivers or TV announcers say.

[raymondu999]

I believe the FIA race data has that

[Jersey Tom]

Well first step then would be for someone to use such a resource, collect some aggregate data, and see if they can come up with some trends for performance degradation among teams of interest... while doing so, establishing some measure for confidence in these trends and if they're real or just noise.