Ferrari's tyre management

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Ferrari's tyre management

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Tombazis said that they are trying to make gains on the front wing side. Now they have tested an updated, more complex, front wing in Germany... Was the test not positive so they didn't race it.

As per Mark Hughes, Alonso's tyres were 15 degrees celcius off their optimum operating temperature during qualifying.

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Well the tyre temp issue was there during the race too. After every pit stop they needed much more time than others to achieve the right temperature. On the other hand, the tyres did seem to last a little bit longer though.

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I think that is a myth to be honest. I know my commentator said that alot.
That Ferrari is kinder on it´s tires.

I think it´s just that because it takes 2 laps to get the temps fully up they have 2 extra laps to run the tires on at then end of the stint.
RBR and Mclaren works their tires good on Lap 1.
RBR more so then Mclaren.
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I think all teams and drivers teams have their own proceedures to use the tyres..
so I´d think they have their own "cold" pressures and heat cycles for specific tyre sets before the tyres are even mounted to the car.I´m pretty sure the temperature and time how long you bake the tyres before usage and the way you treat them first time on track has considerable influence down the road.So trying not to abuse the rubber is really going to pay off in the end of the stint.
Go out in qualy and abuse the tyre and you will certainly pay the price in the race when the tyre is not giving the grip needed...

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HampusA wrote:I think that is a myth to be honest. I know my commentator said that alot.
That Ferrari is kinder on it´s tires.

I think it´s just that because it takes 2 laps to get the temps fully up they have 2 extra laps to run the tires on at then end of the stint.
RBR and Mclaren works their tires good on Lap 1.
RBR more so then Mclaren.
the tyres wear worse when they're not upt to operating temp so that wouldn't make them last longer. That's what Pirelli kept screaming during testing to keep everyone calm. Also, not getting heat into you're tires quick enough is analogous to being very gentle on them.
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Pierce89 wrote:the tyres wear worse when they're not upt to operating temp so that wouldn't make them last longer. That's what Pirelli kept screaming during testing to keep everyone calm. Also, not getting heat into you're tires quick enough is analogous to being very gentle on them.
That´s only if you abuse the tires. If you take it easy until you gotten temps up you effectively move the operating window forward.

Had the Ferrari really been very kind on it´s tires we would have seen them maybe go one stop less or atleast go 4-5 laps longer then anyone else under all circumstances.

Last year the Trio was equal in tire wear. Only Sauber trumped everyone else on being kind on the tires.
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They don't stay out 4-5 laps more because the difference in lap time compared to McLaren or Red-Bull on new tires is not enough, and they are forced to react (indeed they seem to always react, never initiate). I think they are kinder on the tires, but it doesn't grant them a real advantage, maybe even put them in disadvantage.

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They don´t stay out because their tires don´t last longer then RBR or Mclaren..
It´s a myth and the only thing they have is moving the tire window forward.
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Their tyres last longer than RBR and Mclaren, Alonso prove that when he made a fast in lap before his last pit stop.

If they don't stay out, it's just because with Pirelli tyres it's silly, a new set of tyre is ALWAYS faster than a old set.

With Bridgestone, it was a great advantage because the difference between a new set and a old was not significant

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Not true.
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Lorenzo_Bandini wrote:Their tyres last longer than RBR and Mclaren, Alonso prove that when he made a fast in lap before his last pit stop.

If they don't stay out, it's just because with Pirelli tyres it's silly, a new set of tyre is ALWAYS faster than a old set.

With Bridgestone, it was a great advantage because the difference between a new set and a old was not significant
Once Ferrari will lead a race and will be able to build up a gap they can benefit from the kindness on tires. Staying out longer might decrease their lead again, but it will also optimize the tire strategy with shorter use of the slower tire etc.

As long as they are running right in the pack it doesn't make sense to stay out longer as you've pointed out :)

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HampusA wrote:They don´t stay out because their tires don´t last longer then RBR or Mclaren..
It´s a myth and the only thing they have is moving the tire window forward.
its not a myth at all, even red bull have admitted ferrari look after there tyres better than anyone else. sadly for them with the way races unfold with these new tyres it isnt a great advantage.

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ell66 wrote:its not a myth at all, even red bull have admitted ferrari look after there tyres better than anyone else. sadly for them with the way races unfold with these new tyres it isnt a great advantage.
I don´t buy it because there is nothing in the race that says that the Ferrari can make it´s tires last longer.

They just move the window forward due to the long time it takes for them to get heat in the tires.
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It is well known that some cars are easier on their tyres than others. You may not want to believe it, but it's fact. Now can we get back to technical matters?

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gilgen wrote:It is well known that some cars are easier on their tyres than others. You may not want to believe it, but it's fact. Now can we get back to technical matters?
Yes; but nothing has proven this to be the case with Ferrari
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