Hamilton's driving

[ringo]

I don't think Button is better on a drying track.
Button is better at deciding when to go on the slicks at the optimum time for a drying track.
Most drivers either go to early or too late.

You only get that with experience and also some amount of care freeness, which only Button has.
Barichello is the only other driver i see who does this consistently, and it's no coincidence he's in the over 200 GP club.

If anyone notice as well Button was spinning the tyres out of the pits and down to turn 1 to heat them up. He's a tricky son of a gun, don't expect him to let the other side of the garage know that.

Hamilton doesn't have anything to learn from Button really. Team just made a poor choice. It has nothing to do with Maturity either. He's a proven winner when the team gets it right.

As for Alonso, he makes just as much mistakes. Made a couple in Hungary as well.
But it's all down to trying to get the car to the front. The ferrari is not good in the wet.

He's not as extreme these days as marcush says. He's still as forceful as ever though.

What i do realize with Hamilton though is that his wet driving is rather interesting.
He doesn't drive curved lines in the wet. He drives in TRON like angles, which seem to give him very good traction.

We can see this in the opening laps of Silvstone. It takes real confindence in oversteer behavior to snap the car into thos sharp angles.
It's the same reason he didn't run of into turn 2? in Hungary, he just didn't open up the steering like the others.

[Richard]

Would giving Hamilton number 1 status really change things? As I recall Button has finished ahead of him when Hamilton has is mad moments. So even if Hamilton was number 1, you'd still have Button picking up the pieces as he does now. For example, giving Hamilton number 1 would make no difference in Hungary or Monaco.

Obviously Canada is the one race where Hamilton could have been helped with team orders

Otherwise, I can't really see how team orders would have changed much at McLaren.

[marcush.]

I think it has nothing to do with wet or dry or drying conditions .Hamilton is just prepared to edge a bit closer to the limit ,accepting to go over it as he is such a confident guy (in his ability to catch the lost car somehow)That´s why Button who is driving within safer limits is sometimes on a par or even better in terms of results.
It´s just the risk level acceptance or maybe he just does not realise he´s taking chances...see his 180° after his spin right into the traffic.

[Caito]

I would bet Button would be better than Ham in the standings without the two technical DNF. Quote that because they were technical and 0% to do with the driver.

So, it's difficult to judge if the extra risk is worth it. It's spectacular to see, which is why we watch F1, mostly.

[Florio]

Another thing I found interesting was that Hamilton and Alonso were both picked for Crofty's and Antony Davidson's dream team line-up. It just goes to show that alot of people do see through Vettels countless wins, and there is still alot for Vettel to proove, if he's going to be regarded as one of the legends.

[ringo]

Would giving Hamilton number 1 status really change things? As I recall Button has finished ahead of him when Hamilton has is mad moments. So even if Hamilton was number 1, you'd still have Button picking up the pieces as he does now. For example, giving Hamilton number 1 would make no difference in Hungary or Monaco.

Obviously Canada is the one race where Hamilton could have been helped with team orders

Otherwise, I can't really see how team orders would have changed much at McLaren.

What mad moments?

[Ray]

Hamilton doesn't have anything to learn from Button really.

The very second you stop learning from your peers is the second you get left behind. To suggest anyone doesn't need to learn something shows that they need more knowledge than ever. I'm a professional in my field, there are others better than I am in different areas but I sure as hell don't quit learning. That's just arrogance and foolishness talking. Everyone can learn from others if they are willing. Seeing as Jenson has gotten it exactly right when Lewis has gotten it exactly wrong, maybe he can learn something from him.

[Mr Alcatraz]

I don't think Button is better on a drying track.
Button is better at deciding when to go on the slicks at the optimum time for a drying track.
Most drivers either go to early or too late.

You only get that with experience and also some amount of care freeness, which only Button has.
Barichello is the only other driver i see who does this consistently, and it's no coincidence he's in the over 200 GP club.

If anyone notice as well Button was spinning the tyres out of the pits and down to turn 1 to heat them up. He's a tricky son of a gun, don't expect him to let the other side of the garage know that.

Hamilton doesn't have anything to learn from Button really. Team just made a poor choice. It has nothing to do with Maturity either. He's a proven winner when the team gets it right.

As for Alonso, he makes just as much mistakes. Made a couple in Hungary as well.
But it's all down to trying to get the car to the front. The ferrari is not good in the wet.

He's not as extreme these days as marcush says. He's still as forceful as ever though.

What i do realize with Hamilton though is that his wet driving is rather interesting.
He doesn't drive curved lines in the wet. He drives in TRON like angles, which seem to give him very good traction.

We can see this in the opening laps of Silvstone. It takes real confindence in oversteer behavior to snap the car into thos sharp angles.
It's the same reason he didn't run of into turn 2? in Hungary, he just didn't open up the steering like the others.

If we are to believe the boss he was not allowed to give input into the tire decision because of a radio malfunction. Seems to me to be a convenient excuse as Hamilton has otherwise handled this whole affair with a lot more dignity than he is known to.
Perhaps that is due to him realizing that everybody that actually watched the race saw how strong he was!

“I would have objected as it was nowhere near inters,” he said. “When you put inters on you have to stop again for dry tyres. So for me it wasn’t the right call.”

Hamilton confessed that he had agreed with the team’s decision to make the switch but said in his defence that a radio problem meant he did not have all the information he wanted.

“We were having radio issues,” Hamilton explained. “I could hear my engineers, but they couldn’t hear me, so I was constantly asking for information but they couldn’t hear me. So it was a very difficult call for them.

“I think there was perhaps one point when they got some information from me but maybe it was a little bit of info. I heard them say it was going to rain and it was already spitting, so we opted to go for the wet tyres.

“I think they called me in and I did the lap. Anyway the tyres went off and it wasn’t necessarily the best call, but that’s motor racing.”

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/motors ... -down.html

[Richard]

What mad moments?

Do I really need to spell it out? Drive through penalties are a good way of spotting them, as is losing the front wing.

[ringo]

Yes you need to spell it out.

I guess Shumacher is the craziest driver on the grid then, as he probably has the most drive through penalties this year.

[Traction]

What mad moments?

Do I really need to spell it out? Drive through penalties are a good way of spotting them, as is losing the front wing.

Getting hauled before the stewards is another....

[ringo]

I don't think Button is better on a drying track.
Button is better at deciding when to go on the slicks at the optimum time for a drying track.
Most drivers either go to early or too late.

You only get that with experience and also some amount of care freeness, which only Button has.
Barichello is the only other driver i see who does this consistently, and it's no coincidence he's in the over 200 GP club.

If anyone notice as well Button was spinning the tyres out of the pits and down to turn 1 to heat them up. He's a tricky son of a gun, don't expect him to let the other side of the garage know that.

Hamilton doesn't have anything to learn from Button really. Team just made a poor choice. It has nothing to do with Maturity either. He's a proven winner when the team gets it right.

As for Alonso, he makes just as much mistakes. Made a couple in Hungary as well.
But it's all down to trying to get the car to the front. The ferrari is not good in the wet.

He's not as extreme these days as marcush says. He's still as forceful as ever though.

What i do realize with Hamilton though is that his wet driving is rather interesting.
He doesn't drive curved lines in the wet. He drives in TRON like angles, which seem to give him very good traction.

We can see this in the opening laps of Silvstone. It takes real confindence in oversteer behavior to snap the car into thos sharp angles.
It's the same reason he didn't run of into turn 2? in Hungary, he just didn't open up the steering like the others.

If we are to believe the boss he was not allowed to give input into the tire decision because of a radio malfunction. Seems to me to be a convenient excuse as Hamilton has otherwise handled this whole affair with a lot more dignity than he is known to.
Perhaps that is due to him realizing that everybody that actually watched the race saw how strong he was!

“I would have objected as it was nowhere near inters,” he said. “When you put inters on you have to stop again for dry tyres. So for me it wasn’t the right call.”

Hamilton confessed that he had agreed with the team’s decision to make the switch but said in his defence that a radio problem meant he did not have all the information he wanted.

“We were having radio issues,” Hamilton explained. “I could hear my engineers, but they couldn’t hear me, so I was constantly asking for information but they couldn’t hear me. So it was a very difficult call for them.

“I think there was perhaps one point when they got some information from me but maybe it was a little bit of info. I heard them say it was going to rain and it was already spitting, so we opted to go for the wet tyres.

“I think they called me in and I did the lap. Anyway the tyres went off and it wasn’t necessarily the best call, but that’s motor racing.”

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/motors ... -down.html

It's more like he doesn't want to leave a bitter taste to Jenson's win.

Drivers don't chose the strategy in those situations. The probably have a say on when to come in, but the race engineer more than likely decides based on the runs in practice.

If he were to complain, then you'd hear that he doesn't respect the team ect.

It was clearly the teams decision to put on the softs.
I am yet to see a driver, even Button, diagree with the team's choice. You can't blame a driver for agreeing with the engineers.
The most choice a driver has is when to pit, not what to pit for.

The team messed up his race.

[ringo]

What mad moments?

Do I really need to spell it out? Drive through penalties are a good way of spotting them, as is losing the front wing.

Getting hauled before the stewards is another....

The topic is Hamilton's driving. Let's stick to that.

When richard said mad moments. It would have been more constructive if he actually spelled out these "mad moments" that only hamilton has on track.

[Traction]

His penalty never helped him much either

[gridwalker]

What mad moments?

I also think referencing one of the worst comedic characters of the late 90's on live TV should also be classified as a "mad moment"