Next best engineer after Newey

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Jersey Tom wrote:Funny, I don't see what's fundamentally different - and become fundamentally more similar the higher up you go (technical managers, etc).
Does NASCAR have KERS? DRS? flexing body work? Open wheeled racing? Actual non banked circuit racing? Pull rod suspensions rear mounted gearboxes forming part of the crash structure?
I just dont see how the 2 dovetail, but I get what you are saying RE: if a person is competant he can work in any formulae. :D
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NASCAR doesn't have a lot of those specifics (we do race on low-banked tracks, and on road courses though). But what's more important to be a successful development team.. I think it's more the high-level competency, skill set, and process. The aero guys, mechanical guys, dynamics guys.. all trying to do fundamentally the same things.
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As technical director ,Newey? Never
He´s crazy and try to fix him into a frame it will go wrong he could work in a Virgin type of environment for a small team everyone glued to his lips and i think he can work in a big outfit like RB where he is still his own man not really involved in the daytoday running of the show...Ask him what´s a Gantt diagramme for and he´s at a loss methinks...I cannot see him as technical manager really.

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Gerhard Berger wrote: Sure it's a team sport, but the team is made up of individuals. Certain individuals can make the team better through bringing new ideas, guiding others in the team and giving the team a good direction.
The problem is how do you isolate the effect of one individual? At McLaren, Newey was in heavily involved in the MP4/18 and that never raced because they couldn't get the thing to work. His fault or the team's? Who knows. Likewise the MP4/13 which won the title in 98. Or was that as much down to the excellent Merc Ilmor engine?

At Williams he was involved with the FW14 / 14B / 15 series. They were great race winners. Was that Newey or the team or even Patrick Head (after all he had designed the FW7 which was a winner and much more down to the work of a few men under Head's lead (or was it really Neil Oatley's baby?))?

See the issue. No one is doubting that Newey is an excellent design engineer but we can't know how much of the RB5 - 7 series success is down to him (lots, I'm sure but...).

So we can't say "Newey is better than...X". It's meaningless.
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i think gordon murray was the best of all time
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Just_a_fan wrote: The problem is how do you isolate the effect of one individual? At McLaren, Newey was in heavily involved in the MP4/18 and that never raced because they couldn't get the thing to work. His fault or the team's? Who knows. Likewise the MP4/13 which won the title in 98. Or was that as much down to the excellent Merc Ilmor engine?
If you're interested in the MP4 18 there's a good book about it, called "cars that never raced" or something like that. Will give you some more insights.

MP4 13 was a good chassis. Merc Ilmor engine was strong (if unreliable) but a strong engine alone is not enough.
At Williams he was involved with the FW14 / 14B / 15 series. They were great race winners. Was that Newey or the team or even Patrick Head (after all he had designed the FW7 which was a winner and much more down to the work of a few men under Head's lead (or was it really Neil Oatley's baby?))?
One might find it curious that Williams never produced such dominant cars since Newey left.
See the issue. No one is doubting that Newey is an excellent design engineer but we can't know how much of the RB5 - 7 series success is down to him (lots, I'm sure but...).
The issue you seem to be bringing up is that alot will come down to opinions and some things cannot be proven (which is no different to many of the topics on this forum). Does not mean we cannot express our opinions and have a good debate about it.
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Next best engineer after Newey?
Me :P

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As I doubt this thread will give us any valuable information at all, apart from who is a fan of who, I'll close it down... sorry guys