2016 British Grand Prix - Silverstone, 08-10 July

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Re: 2016 British Grand Prix - Silverstone, 08-10 July

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Horner saying, obviously, that the radio info was naughty. Podium to be decided by the stewards yet again?
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Re: 2016 British Grand Prix - Silverstone, 08-10 July

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Just_a_fan wrote:Horner saying, obviously, that the radio info was naughty. Podium to be decided by the stewards yet again?
Red Bull complained....

Yet also gave a message to Vers "Rosberg is under investigation", which could be deemed driver coaching as it may have stopped Vers from attacking Ros.
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atanatizante
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Re: 2016 British Grand Prix - Silverstone, 08-10 July

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Could be a 5 sec penalty for Rosberg as Paddy said on RTL interview in Baku ...
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Two things:

- got to be the worst Ferrari performance - in every single conceivable way - that I've ever seen

- I'd like to see the winner of the race get driver of the day for a change; completely controlling the race from the front is a perfect performance - what more do you want?

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Re: 2016 British Grand Prix - Silverstone, 08-10 July

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I don't think there was anything wrong with that radio message:

A. Restrictions on team-to-driver communications: These restrictions will apply:

– To all communications to the driver including, but not limited to, radio and pit boards.
– At all times the car is out of the garage with the engine running and the driver on board (with the exception of any time the car is in the pit lane on the day of the race prior to or between reconnaissance laps).

The following is a list of the permitted messages. Any other message, including any of those below which we suspect has been used as a coded message for a different purpose (including a prompt to a driver). is likely to be considered a breach of Article 27.1 of the Sporting Regulations and will be reported to the stewards accordingly.

1. Acknowledgement that a driver’s message has been heard, this may include repeating the message back to the driver for the sole purpose of confirmation.
2. Indication of a critical problem with the car. Any message of this sort may only be used if failure of a component or system is imminent and potentially terminal.
3. Information concerning damage to the car.
4. Instructions to select driver defaults for the sole purpose of mitigating loss of function of a sensor, actuator or controller whose degradation or failure was not detected and handled by the on-board software. In accordance with Article 8.2.4, any new setting chosen in this way must not enhance the performance of the car beyond that prior to the loss of function.
5. Instruction to enter the pit lane in order to fix or retire the car.
6. Indication of a problem with a competitor’s car.
7. Marshalling information (yellow flag, red flag, blue flag, Safety Car, Virtual Safety Car, race start aborted or other similar instructions or information from race control). This would include a reminder to switch off the SC ‘delta time’ function after crossing the first safety car line twice from the time the SC was deployed.
8. Passing on messages from race control (this would include a countdown to the start of the formation lap and telling a driver that the last car has taken up position on the grid at the end of the formation lap).
9. Wet track, oil or debris in certain corners.
10. Weather information.
11. Information concerning the driver’s own lap time or sector times.
12. Lap time of a competitor.
13. Helping with warning of traffic and gaps to other competitors during a practice session or race.
14. Instructions to swap position with other drivers.
15. Number of laps or time remaining during a practice session or race.
16. Position during a practice session or race.
17. ‘Push hard’, ‘push now’, ‘you will be racing xx’, ‘take it easy’ or similar (you are reminded about suspected use of coded messages when giving these messages or any words of encouragement).
18. When to enter the pits (or go to the grid during reconnaissance laps), any message of this sort may only be used if the driver is to enter the pits on that lap. Having been told when to enter the pits drivers may also be told to stay out if there has been a change of circumstances.
19. Reminders to use the pit speed limiter, change tyre settings to match the tyres fitted to the car orto check for white lines, bollards, weighbridge lights when entering or leaving the pits.
20. Driving breaches by team driver or competitor, e.g. missing chicanes, running off track, time penalty will be applied etc.
21. Notification that DRS is enabled or disabled.
22. Dealing with a DRS system failure.
23. Oil transfer.
24. Test sequence information during practice sessions (P1 and P2 only), e.g. aero-mapping.

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Re: 2016 British Grand Prix - Silverstone, 08-10 July

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If it's a five second penalty then teams might as well break radio rules all the time.

Should be a disqualification or else it's not a deterrent.

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Re: 2016 British Grand Prix - Silverstone, 08-10 July

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Driver of the day for me was Vestappen. Some great racing.

If Rosberg's info was allowed but Hamilton's wasn't it will call into question the FIA's implementation of the rules yet again. If Rosberg's info is allowed then the teams will start to push the limits further instead of "I can't tell you that".
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Re: 2016 British Grand Prix - Silverstone, 08-10 July

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It would be a shame if Ros gets a penalty. Penalty for a radio message? Stupid.

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Re: 2016 British Grand Prix - Silverstone, 08-10 July

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I think they are on thin ice asking him to go to a specific mode, as opposed to just informing/confirming about the problem.
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The only thing is, Mercedes is going to have a hard time saying that it wasn't coaching, because Nico changed the setting and got right back up onto normal pace.
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void
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Re: 2016 British Grand Prix - Silverstone, 08-10 July

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Bomber_Pilot wrote: 2. Indication of a critical problem with the car. Any message of this sort may only be used if failure of a component or system is imminent and potentially terminal.
"Gearbox failure!" That message is aceptable. But not "Press ↑ ↑ ↓ ↓ ← → ← → B A to fix the Gearbox Failure!"

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Re: 2016 British Grand Prix - Silverstone, 08-10 July

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Bomber_Pilot wrote: 2. Indication of a critical problem with the car. Any message of this sort may only be used if failure of a component or system is imminent and potentially terminal.
"Chassis default 01" or whatever it was is not an information about a failure. "Gearbox failure, avoid 7th gear" was such information.

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ecapox
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Re: 2016 British Grand Prix - Silverstone, 08-10 July

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I! Not so sure it was the "imminent failure" of 7th gear, but they told him to bypass it as well as some other coded message.

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iotar__
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Re: 2016 British Grand Prix - Silverstone, 08-10 July

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- Silverstone awfully boring track, even wet and(!) changeable conditions cannot save it.
- Mercedes & British Grand Prix = guaranteed problems for Rosberg - gearbox for the second time, strategy '15.
- Ferrari drivers - just awful race. Vettel errors, 5 s for forcing off track is funny, never heard that penalty before. Inventive from FIA :-) Raikkonen - painful to watch behind Perez How much quicker this Ferrari was?35 behind slower RB.

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* Instructions to select driver defaults for the sole purpose of mitigating loss of function of a sensor, actuator or controller whose degradation or failure was not detected and handled by the on-board software. In according with Article 8.2.4, any new setting chosen in this way must not enhance the performance of the car beyond that prior to the loss of function+

This is allowed. Does this cover Nico?