2025 Oracle Red Bull Racing F1 Team

[Juzh]

Max's q3 lap 1.14.704

https://streamable.com/p56x93

[venkyhere]

Interesting data from Q3, showing both runs of PIA and VER :



PIA improved the end of straight chicane at the beginning of the lap and gained massively between T7 (tosa) and T9 (piratella). He got the exit of the hairpin long corner perfect, and absolutely caned it through T8-T9 towards aqua-minerali. This is where he 'found time' between his first and second run.

VER, we can see him pay the price for a stonker of an S1 (S1 finishes before T7) in both his runs by overheating his tyres - the C6 was getting boiled by the RB21 over S2 & S3. However, the reason he lost pole is something that happened at T14-15 (variante alta chicane) in his second run, compared to his previous run - while he had an early entry and early exit in the first run, he delayed it a bit for the second run (trying late entry) and was consequently late on the throttle at the exit of variante alta, towards the two 90 degree rivazza corners. I consider the variante alta loss in the second run, a rare 'mistake' from VER.

[Seanspeed]

Interesting data from Q3, showing both runs of PIA and VER :

https://i.ibb.co/BHPjLSyK/imola-2025-Q3.png

PIA improved the end of straight chicane at the beginning of the lap and gained massively between T7 (tosa) and T9 (piratella). He got the exit of the hairpin long corner perfect, and absolutely caned it through T8-T9 towards aqua-minerali. This is where he 'found time' between his first and second run.

VER, we can see him pay the price for a stonker of an S1 (S1 finishes before T7) in both his runs by overheating his tyres - the C6 was getting boiled by the RB21 over S2 & S3. However, the reason he lost pole is something that happened at T14-15 (variante alta chicane) in his second run, compared to his previous run - while he had an early entry and early exit in the first run, he delayed it a bit for the second run (trying late entry) and was consequently late on the throttle at the exit of variante alta, towards the two 90 degree rivazza corners. I consider the variante alta loss in the second run, a rare 'mistake' from VER.

Looks a lot like to me that Piastri simply took it slightly easier in S1 and ultimately had more grip left in the last half of the lap, where rear grip especially matters massively. Given the tires they were running and the fact that they did seem just a TAD too soft for the day, anybody who could leave themselves a bit more grip for the final half of the track would be in good shape.

That said, that's probably easier achieved in the Mclaren vs the Red Bull.

[Sergej]

So they are working on the McLaren style brake stuff, but nobody knows when it will be on the car. Bad news is that it may come when it's too late for the wdc, good news is that it should be valuable knowledge for next year too.

[Paa]

So they are working on the McLaren style brake stuff, but nobody knows when it will be on the car. Bad news is that it may come when it's too late for the wdc, good news is that it should be valuable knowledge for next year too.

Let's see how is the race pace here in Imola. I expect most of the coming races won't be significantly hotter than here.
In fact, if they can't introduce the system by Barcelona, they essentially have time for that until Budapest, which should be the next really hot race. (in between these we have Canada, Austria, Silverstone and Spa).

But they should be ready by August, because after Budapest we'll have bunch of potentially hot races (Monza, Baku, Singapore)

[F1Sara]

why was the car bottoming you cant blame driver for ruining someone lap is just stupid ,team need to do better to prepare car miami sprint quali was not good too

This is where commentators mislead the viewers. The car didn't lose control because it happened to go over the kerb. The car lost control because the driver, despite knowing that he has climbed over a kerb, added steering input before the wheel fully landed back. This is pure driver error.

And showing the floor. Glad he is ok though.

[pantherxxx]

Well the good thing is that since the brake duct cooling innovation can be carried into next year, Red Bull can keep developing it without sacrificing next season’s performance. The single lap pace is already there, they just need to improve the tyre wear, and the race pace will be there too.

[venkyhere]

why was the car bottoming you cant blame driver for ruining someone lap is just stupid ,team need to do better to prepare car miami sprint quali was not good too

This is where commentators mislead the viewers. The car didn't lose control because it happened to go over the kerb. The car lost control because the driver, despite knowing that he has climbed over a kerb, added steering input before the wheel fully landed back. This is pure driver error.

I saw some posts in reply to mine, stating it wasn't driver error, and that it was because the car was bouncing even before it entered the corner. Unable to quote the posts now, did they get deleted ?

Anyway, turns out that I was too lenient with Tsunoda in the above post - it was not a case of him trying to 'correct' while he was on the kerbs, it was worse. He still had the steering turning left, all the way through the kerbs. The moment the left front was in the air, he was still 'turning left' with the steering - the car started spinning left on 3 wheels, and by the time Tsunoda sensed this, it was too late, applying opposite lock didn't help (as the pic below shows). Terrible mistake.

[Bill]

why was the car bottoming you cant blame driver for ruining someone lap is just stupid ,team need to do better to prepare car miami sprint quali was not good too

This is where commentators mislead the viewers. The car didn't lose control because it happened to go over the kerb. The car lost control because the driver, despite knowing that he has climbed over a kerb, added steering input before the wheel fully landed back. This is pure driver error.

I saw some posts in reply to mine, stating it wasn't driver error, and that it was because the car was bouncing even before it entered the corner. Unable to quote the posts now, did they get deleted ?

Anyway, turns out that I was too lenient with Tsunoda in the above post - it was not a case of him trying to 'correct' while he was on the kerbs, it was worse. He still had the steering turning left, all the way through the kerbs. The moment the left front was in the air, he was still 'turning left' with the steering - the car started spinning left on 3 wheels, and by the time Tsunoda sensed this, it was too late, applying opposite lock didn't help (as the pic below shows). Terrible mistake.

https://i.ibb.co/Wppvtsn4/Tsunoda-crash-Q1-imola.png

Yuki has acknowledged that it was his mistake he push hard in order to use one set for q1 after making changes to the car and it reacted unexpectedly.he is also using using old parts which are 2 races behind because Max broke his nose so they went enough parts, a little would have helped in tight field .Alonso has 3 crashes and no points drivers push and things happen its all part on the sport so you can all chill.

[avantman]

It will be only 22-23 celsius during the race. I doubt that tyre wear will be a huge problem, at least from thermal degradation, Mclaren will not have the same advantage as in Miami.

Track will be 40+ celsius.

In Bahrein and Miami 55°C+. A 40°C track temperature is fairly warm, but not out of the ordinary.

39 at the start of the race in Miami, 35 in the end. 32-30 in Bahrain accordingly.

[FittingMechanics]

I thought Red Bull said McLaren brakes can't be cooled by air a race ago, but now they have a solution in works?

Quite strange. Good work to Red Bull engineers if they can figure out it in a few weeks.

[Wouter]

Tsunoda with his trash talk About Max. He is a very stupid boy.

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Huh? When did Yuki talking trashtalk about Max and what was he saying?

And NO, Yuki isn't a stupid boy! He immediately said it was his own fault. He was very humble as always.

[Sieper]

As always?

Quote from Yuki Japan GP weekend:

“It's my first time driving a completely different car - I only drove with VCARB for the last four years, so it's the first time I drove a completely different team's car,” he said.

“I’m trying to use that, and I know that if I unlock that area, I would be able to probably beat him [Verstappen].

Hadn’t even driven yet, yet thinks it is probable he will be beating Max.

I am with Rihanna on this. Shut up and drive.

[Wouter]

As always?

Quote from Yuki Japan GP weekend:

“It's my first time driving a completely different car - I only drove with VCARB for the last four years, so it's the first time I drove a completely different team's car,” he said.

“I’m trying to use that, and I know that if I unlock that area, I would be able to probably beat him [Verstappen].

Hadn’t even driven yet, yet thinks it is probable he will be beating Max.

I am with Rihanna on this. Shut up and drive.

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You didn't answer my questions:

"Huh? When did Yuki talking trashtalk about Max and what was he saying?"

Or do you mean that one time he said his goal was to finaly beat Max but that he knows it will not happen in the first years?
And because of that Yuki is a very stupid boy?

[Emag]

As always?

Quote from Yuki Japan GP weekend:

“It's my first time driving a completely different car - I only drove with VCARB for the last four years, so it's the first time I drove a completely different team's car,” he said.

“I’m trying to use that, and I know that if I unlock that area, I would be able to probably beat him [Verstappen].

Hadn’t even driven yet, yet thinks it is probable he will be beating Max.

I am with Rihanna on this. Shut up and drive.

A driver saying he can beat another driver? In F1? What is this blasphemy?