2025 Oracle Red Bull Racing F1 Team

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pantherxxx wrote:
17 May 2025, 19:57
It will be only 22-23 celsius during the race. I doubt that tyre wear will be a huge problem, at least from thermal degradation, Mclaren will not have the same advantage as in Miami.
Track will be 40+ celsius.

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Juzh wrote:
17 May 2025, 20:15
Why is the car so slow in T8? 10 kmh down on PIA, RUS and NOR and even compared to 2024 RB20. Strange. Saving tyres?
On friday they were very exit limited in that corner (I think you mean T9, piratella). Tires were hot so perhaps just a bit conservative on entry speed knowing that the tires were going away. The corner tends to carry you out to the gravel if you exceed the limits.
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It doesn't turn.

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AR3-GP wrote:
17 May 2025, 20:20
This is one of the first weekends where we don't see a massive margin between the improvements of Mclaren and Red Bull year over year. They have only improved 1 tenth more. The tires are softer, but the relative comparison is interesting.
First signs look good, but I'm much more interested in race pace.
The C6 seemed to hold better on the McLaren over 1 hot lap. But hopefully it will not that much of a factor for C5-C4 in the race?

What is positive that Red Bull seemed to have great top speed, while not being far off on the slow part.
For this I didn't even see any data, just my impression from the broadcast so I hope I'm not totally off. :D

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Emag wrote:
17 May 2025, 18:03
Paa wrote:
17 May 2025, 18:01
I'm kind of worried from T1 for the same reason.
I think both Piastri and Max will be determined to turn first.
Quite a long run down to T1 and McLaren is quite slow on a straight line. It's very likely they will end up side by side and whoever gets to the corner first will try to claim it for himself and push the other wide (or have a clash).
And remember, if your front tires are alongside another car's mirrors, that means you're ahead, while being behind, per the stewards' guide, which is separate from FIA sporting guidelines. Makes me wonder when a steward's edition of the technical regulations will be written. That would be fun.

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17 May 2025, 16:56
(he should have done pre season with the team)
Agreed. They ended up screwing both Lawson and Tsunoda with that move.
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They managed an absolute 180º on the kerb riding, it's now pretty good in that respect, not bad.

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What’s changed to allow it to ride the kerbs though?
Mess with the Bull - you get the horns.

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chrisc90 wrote:
17 May 2025, 20:50
What’s changed to allow it to ride the kerbs though?
I think that the floor has a larger working window (range of ground clearances where it works). So they can tune the car more for riding over curbs. To do that you need to soften the springs. However to compensate for softer springs you have to lift the car so it doesn't bottom out. That was the big problem with last year's car. The floor only worked in a tiny range of ground clearances that was even smaller than the RB19 (W13-esque).
It doesn't turn.

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Max to De Telegraaf: "Yes, absolutely. This is the best feeling in the car that I have had this year so far. The car looks quite a bit different with the updates this weekend."

"In terms of lap time, I don't even think it makes that much difference, compared to the physical differences that you see. But in terms of the set-up of the car, we have clearly made a step forward. The car felt much better today than yesterday."
Max about McLaren's 'cooling trick' with the tyres
"We are working on it. But its not easy, otherwise everyone would've had it on their car. But we're definitely talking about it within the team."
https://www.telegraaf.nl/sport/21050131 ... in-de-auto


So, tire cooling update is not ready yet, maybe after the triple header, that would give them a bit more time to work on it.
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euv2 wrote:
17 May 2025, 21:01
Max to De Telegraaf: "Yes, absolutely. This is the best feeling in the car that I have had this year so far. The car looks quite a bit different with the updates this weekend."

"In terms of lap time, I don't even think it makes that much difference, compared to the physical differences that you see. But in terms of the set-up of the car, we have clearly made a step forward. The car felt much better today than yesterday."
Max about McLaren's 'cooling trick' with the tyres
"We are working on it. But its not easy, otherwise everyone would've had it on their car. But we're definitely talking about it within the team."
https://t.co/uyQCh96A0s

So, tire cooling update is not ready yet, maybe after the triple header, that would give them a bit more time to work on it.
If they could implement it by Austria (rd 11), it would be a gamechanger and the championship would still be on. It's hurting on the qualifying laps. Max is running out of tires for the 2nd half of the lap.

The two most important things for Red Bull to improve were the through corner balance and the tire temperatures. They have made a lot of progress with the through corner balance with the upgrades to the floor and the sidepods but only when they can sustain the speed like Mclaren will they be able to compete properly for the WDC.
It doesn't turn.

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AR3-GP wrote:
17 May 2025, 21:03
euv2 wrote:
17 May 2025, 21:01
Max to De Telegraaf: "Yes, absolutely. This is the best feeling in the car that I have had this year so far. The car looks quite a bit different with the updates this weekend."

"In terms of lap time, I don't even think it makes that much difference, compared to the physical differences that you see. But in terms of the set-up of the car, we have clearly made a step forward. The car felt much better today than yesterday."
Max about McLaren's 'cooling trick' with the tyres
"We are working on it. But its not easy, otherwise everyone would've had it on their car. But we're definitely talking about it within the team."
https://t.co/uyQCh96A0s

So, tire cooling update is not ready yet, maybe after the triple header, that would give them a bit more time to work on it.
If they could implement it by Austria (rd 11), it would be a gamechanger and the championship would still be on. It's hurting on the qualifying laps. Max is running out of tires for the 2nd half of the lap.
Yeah, it's not great, Max was decent in sector 3 matching PIA and only a tenth of purple from NOR here, but didn't have enough grip in turn 9 and 12 which was a bit confusing.

It's also still race 7 out of 24 :shock: sometimes I forget how long these seasons are and there's still time to turns things around.

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I think Max has pole if they had run on the medium tyre at the end, Russell was rapid on that set. The C6 clearly wasn't lasting the whole lap as we saw on the final run.

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Verstappen said after qualifying it's the best he's felt in the car all year
Max to De Telegraaf: "Yes, absolutely. This is the best feeling in the car that I have had this year so far. The car looks quite a bit different with the updates this weekend."

"In terms of lap time, I don't even think it makes that much difference, compared to the physical differences that you see. But in terms of the set-up of the car, we have clearly made a step forward. The car felt much better today than yesterday."
Autoracer had previously said the brake update will come sooner than it seems was possible. Luckily such an update won't make much difference at Monaco. And im praying they'll have it for Austria onwards


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Very positive direction given Max’s comments on the car.
Mess with the Bull - you get the horns.

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chrisc90 wrote:
17 May 2025, 20:50
What’s changed to allow it to ride the kerbs though?
Explanation given here...
viewtopic.php?p=1281174#p1281174
I learn from the mistakes of people who take my advice...

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Sergej wrote:
17 May 2025, 20:22
pantherxxx wrote:
17 May 2025, 19:57
It will be only 22-23 celsius during the race. I doubt that tyre wear will be a huge problem, at least from thermal degradation, Mclaren will not have the same advantage as in Miami.
Track will be 40+ celsius.
In Bahrein and Miami 55°C+. A 40°C track temperature is fairly warm, but not out of the ordinary.