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[venkyhere]

Ocon's car wasnt on a dangerous place to warrant a VSC. Extremely suspicious.

Max in the meantime did not race with 30% less speed as he increased his distance during the VSC instead of the distance staying equal.

I noticed that he increased the distance during the VSC which shouldnt be possible since everyone is on the same speed. Is that legal?

Emag I am pretty sure he increased the distance during VSC before he went to pit.

How old are you ? 12 ?
How hard is it for you to accept gracefully, when events occur in a way that you never wished to happen ?

Actually we are not as fast as the Red Bull

The pace is simply not there today for both the cars. I hope this is a one off case and not that the RBR upgrades and the McLaren downgrades is showing up now.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with the McLaren car. One track where another car has 'matched up' and you start using words like 'downgrades' ? Driver error cost Mclaren the race - Oscar with L1T1, and Lando with his sub-optimal Q3 resulting in a non-front-row start. Things like that happen, they are humans. Not machines. Given the fact that both McLarens ran majority of their race in dirty air and still had matching laptimes to Max, proves that nothing is wrong with the car. Oscar drove for a long time within a sub 2s dirty air behind Max, and burnt his tyres prematurely. Lando was smarter with his usage of the mediums (which are actually softs, C5s). But it so happened that Redbull got their car setup absolutely right. So what ? the Mclaren was no slouch.

[CjC]

Take note of @Venyhere guys and gals

[Cs98]

So, my view is the following.

Norris would accept a swap with a return to PIA if he can't get VER.
PIA would get most likely a better result with a swap (P2) rather than P3 which is what he will get if he fights his teammate.
The team maximizes their points, you either get P1 and P3 or P2 and P3.

Why not do it? It's so obvious.

How does that benefit Lando though? He's very likely to overtake Oscar but is very unlikely to overtake Verstappen, simple consequence of the tyres they had. Accepting a switch with the provision of a swap back at the end if he doesn't overtake Max is just bad for Lando. He had P2 in the bag and Oscar is his main competitor in the WDC.

[Ben1980]

Interesting that in Suzuka Mclaren had blame for not trying, here, they are getting the blame for trying sonething ( though maybe forced) they had split strategies. It could have worked, but didn't.

[Xyz22]

That was the worst first corner i've ever seen in Imola history

[Ben1980]

So, my view is the following.

Norris would accept a swap with a return to PIA if he can't get VER.
PIA would get most likely a better result with a swap (P2) rather than P3 which is what he will get if he fights his teammate.
The team maximizes their points, you either get P1 and P3 or P2 and P3.

Why not do it? It's so obvious.

How does that benefit Lando though? He's very likely to overtake Oscar but is very unlikely to overtake Verstappen, simple consequence of the tyres they had. Accepting a switch with the provision of a swap back at the end if he doesn't overtake Max is just bad for Lando. He had P2 in the bag and Oscar is his main competitor in the WDC.

It was never an option. Lando was always overtaking Oscar with 16 lap tyre difference. No reason to talk of giving a place back.

[Cs98]

The pace is simply not there today for both the cars. I hope this is a one off case and not that the RBR upgrades and the McLaren downgrades is showing up now.

This. The whole narrative that Redbull is slow, especially with their upgrades, needs to be thrown out the window.

Oscar just BARELY beat Max to pole and the RB had great race pace today.

Mclarens "Game changing" cooling only changes the game in extreme conditions.


RB have been close all year. But I'm sure there will be some Red Bull fans incoming adamant that the sky is actually green.

They clearly haven't.

[Cs98]

So, my view is the following.

Norris would accept a swap with a return to PIA if he can't get VER.
PIA would get most likely a better result with a swap (P2) rather than P3 which is what he will get if he fights his teammate.
The team maximizes their points, you either get P1 and P3 or P2 and P3.

Why not do it? It's so obvious.

How does that benefit Lando though? He's very likely to overtake Oscar but is very unlikely to overtake Verstappen, simple consequence of the tyres they had. Accepting a switch with the provision of a swap back at the end if he doesn't overtake Max is just bad for Lando. He had P2 in the bag and Oscar is his main competitor in the WDC.

It was never an option. Lando was always overtaking Oscar with 16 lap tyre difference. No reason to talk of giving a place back.

Yes, exactly why if I'm in Lando's seat I'm never accepting that kind of deal. Either they let him through and he keeps position no matter what, or they let them fight. They made the right choice IMO.

[mwillems]

This. The whole narrative that Redbull is slow, especially with their upgrades, needs to be thrown out the window.

Oscar just BARELY beat Max to pole and the RB had great race pace today.

Mclarens "Game changing" cooling only changes the game in extreme conditions.


RB have been close all year. But I'm sure there will be some Red Bull fans incoming adamant that the sky is actually green.

They clearly haven't.

2 race wins and threw another away. Call that not close if you want, but its the reality.

RB is challenger irrespective of how you want to paint it.

All the cr*p about the MCL39s magic superpower is exactly that.

[billamend]

That was the worst first corner i've ever seen in Imola history

If it was Norris making that mistake…

[Cs98]

Mclarens "Game changing" cooling only changes the game in extreme conditions.


RB have been close all year. But I'm sure there will be some Red Bull fans incoming adamant that the sky is actually green.

They clearly haven't.

2 race wins and threw another away. Call that not close if you want, but its the reality.

RB is challenger irrespective of how you want to paint it.

All the cr*p about the MCL39s magic superpower is exactly that.

RB have been competitive in 3/7 races and absolutely nowhere compared to McLaren in the rest. Your claim that they've been "close all year" is absolute tosh. Don't know why you even bother, you think we've forgotten about Australia, China, Bahrain and Miami after the 7th race?

[Ground Effect]

Lucked into have 16 lap newer tires, but sure.

When you say lucked you mean knows how to save his tyres? Piastri wasn't able to save his tyres, had to pit earlier and then wasn't able to move through the field.

Norris got into the position of having a new set of hards to put on by virtue of his good driving. It's a prime example of that saying, "you make your own luck"

That’s not what happened

Oscar was on an undercut strategy.

Oscar said Plan A would be ambitious, he didn't have the tyres

[Darth-Piekus]

The RB car has been always competitive and equal to Mclaren. In one lap pace the difference was always less than a tenth which is nothing. The difference in those races happened due to the circumstances coming to Mclaren's strength which is preserving the temperature on tyres while the rest overheated or couldn't heat up the tyres. Mclaren was never dominant and it is time to accept that perhaps Oscar made the difference and is first on merit.

[mwillems]

They clearly haven't.

2 race wins and threw another away. Call that not close if you want, but its the reality.

RB is challenger irrespective of how you want to paint it.

All the cr*p about the MCL39s magic superpower is exactly that.

RB have been competitive in 3/7 races and absolutely nowhere compared to McLaren in the rest. Your claim that they've been "close all year" is absolute tosh. Don't know why you even bother, you think we've forgotten about Australia, China, Bahrain and Miami after the 7th race?

They've a great car. Ours is more rounded, but not perfect. Max is close in the championship and getting wins. At the end of the day, that tells the true story. Being do.inant at a couple of tracks isnt the reality of our pace, just nonsense hype.

[avantman]

They've a great car. Ours is more rounded, but not perfect. Max is close in the championship and getting wins. At the end of the day, that tells the true story. Being do.inant at a couple of tracks isnt the reality of our pace, just nonsense hype.

Super great car, that was 20-30-40 seconds behind Mclaren on true pace in 4 out of 7 races this year even in the hands of the best driver this sport has ever seen.