Spanish GP 2011 - Barcelona

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wouldn't make a diff for the results now, would it?

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Just_a_fan wrote:The result is up in the air - stewards looking at several drivers (including both McLarens and Webber) for not slowing sufficiently in the yellow flag zone. Looks like Alonso might get his podium points after all...
I doubt we'll see DQs over this, the most I'd expect is a 5 place grid drop at the next race.

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beelsebob wrote:
FrukostScones wrote:
andrew wrote:What was wrong with it? Showed the racing at the front and the midfield action and I could follow the race quite easily.
are you trolling or just undemanding?
What would you have liked to see more of? I got everything I wanted to for the most part. The only time I got frustrated was in the first pit stops, where they showed the stops, even though Hamilton was overtaking on track.
they showed things that really didn't matter for far too long on numerous occasions throug out the race, even in the end they showed Massas car being towed.. and then him walking through the pitlane, or KOVas car for two minutes, command stands...
I couldn't see Alonso counter attack on Webber because Vettel stop..
And in the beginning, when DRS was about to engage, they showed 5 replays of the start, instead of focusing on the raging battles on the track...
And it was not the first time this year, this team of directors is bad!
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We just had a great race and we're talking about DQs? :)

Redbull has too much downforce. Hamilton said after qualifying that they have 30+ points more, judging where they open the DRS in the last turn.

There was no way hamilton was going to get vettel, even without kers.

Good effort by him still. His best chance came right when Karthikenen blocked him.
The tyres were more in Mclaren's favour then.

Nice race by button too.
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ringo wrote:We just had a great race and we're talking about DQs? :)

Redbull has too much downforce. Hamilton said after qualifying that they have 30+ points more, judging where they open the DRS in the last turn.

There was no way hamilton was going to get vettel, even without kers.

Good effort by him still. His best chance came right when Karthikenen blocked him.
The tyres were more in Mclaren's favour then.

Nice race by button too.
Agreed, Button's race was quiet, but a great job.

It surprises me that McLaren keep running him on an (n-1) stop strategy – it really isn't working for them.
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beelsebob wrote:So... Hamilton, Button, Webber and Algesuari, not slowing down for waved yellows... 20 second penalty each?

If that were the case it would have no effect on the outcome, maybe they'll penalise more?
So much for Brundles driver of the day! :lol:

What happened to the days of Mika Hakkinen just waving to acknowledge the yellows? Well I guess the rule are the rules and the drivers have no one to blame but themselves.

My money is on either a 20 second penalty each or a reprimand.

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andrew wrote:
beelsebob wrote:So... Hamilton, Button, Webber and Algesuari, not slowing down for waved yellows... 20 second penalty each?

If that were the case it would have no effect on the outcome, maybe they'll penalise more?
So much for Brundles driver of the day! :lol:
I'm not sure I see that driving fast past some yellows makes your drive suddenly not a great one.

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"It's a merry go round, except it's absolutely electric" ... wtf EJ?

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beelsebob wrote:
jamsbong wrote:Another note about Alonso. It seems that Ferrari have not learnt their lesson from Abu Dhabi last year. Remember Ferrari childishly reaction to Webber's pitstop, it seems that Ferrari reaction to Vettel's 2nd stop (on hindsight) has been costly.
Yep, surprised he didn't do the same thing as Hamilton and stay out for a good few laps... That said, I'm surprised Hamilton didn't stay out for an extra 4/5 laps on his last set of softs... Probably would have dropped 3/4 seconds by doing it, but would have had far fresher hards... Maybe enough to get past?

Nope, not enough to pass. Looking at the last turn and comparing both cars going through there. They have 30 points more at 200kph. 4 laps fresher tyres can't make that up.
Sector 3 and turn 3 was too strong for the redbull.

Driver of the race could go to either one of them. Hamilton was taking the car to the limit, and so was Vettel when he had the KERS failures.
But if without KERS he's 0.9s ahead in qualifying it isn't surprising that no kers or 50% KERS didn't affect the redbull advantage in race.

I can't wait for monaco, it's been a while since we had a proper showdown in the end of the race. Reminds me of the V10 days.
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beelsebob wrote:I'm not sure I see that driving fast past some yellows makes your drive suddenly not a great one.
Bit of a beginners mistake though.

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ringo wrote:
beelsebob wrote:
jamsbong wrote:Another note about Alonso. It seems that Ferrari have not learnt their lesson from Abu Dhabi last year. Remember Ferrari childishly reaction to Webber's pitstop, it seems that Ferrari reaction to Vettel's 2nd stop (on hindsight) has been costly.
Yep, surprised he didn't do the same thing as Hamilton and stay out for a good few laps... That said, I'm surprised Hamilton didn't stay out for an extra 4/5 laps on his last set of softs... Probably would have dropped 3/4 seconds by doing it, but would have had far fresher hards... Maybe enough to get past?

Nope, not enough to pass. Looking at the last turn and comparing both cars going through there. They have 30 points more at 200kph. 4 laps fresher tyres can't make that up.
Sector 3 and turn 3 was too strong for the redbull.
Eh, Sector 3 was where Hamilton was making up all his time. The issue was purely traction out of the last turn, with a bit more traction, he might have been in the slip stream half way down the last straight.
ringo wrote:Driver of the race could go to either one of them. Hamilton was taking the car to the limit, and so was Vettel when he had the KERS failures.
But if without KERS he's 0.9s ahead in qualifying it isn't surprising that no kers or 50% KERS didn't affect the redbull advantage in race.
The McLarens were staying with them even when they were running KERS in the race, I think their race pace advantage is just genuinely much less than their qualifying advantage... If not 0.

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andrew wrote:
beelsebob wrote:I'm not sure I see that driving fast past some yellows makes your drive suddenly not a great one.
Bit of a beginners mistake though.
Not sure you can call it a beginner's mistake when it's 2 world champions and one of the most experienced drivers in the field doing it, I find it much more likely that they set very fast times simply because they were all on new tyres and lower fuel. The FIA just looked at it being faster, and not at the circumstances of being faster.

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Preety impresive that RedBulls AND McLarens lapped the whole field.

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@beelsebob: They do take the curcumstances into account thus investigating it. If they didn't they'd just deal out punishment
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Once the stewards have looked at the cars telemetry they will know the facts for definite.