2014 British GP - Silverstone

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I guess it really is OK to put all 4 tires off the track after all......

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beelsebob wrote:
jz11 wrote:[quote="beelsebob"
Personally, I find it unclear whether him gaining on Nico was to do with pace, or Nico's failure progressing. He certainly did start gaining a lot after a few laps though.
I think there might have been a bit more fuel in Hamiltons car than Rosbergs, because they couldn't really predict how fast he could get to 2nd, that could be the reason why he wasn't closing in as fast when he got to that 2nd place, also the tyre strategy - it looked like he was stretching his 1st stint to have a bit more tires/fuel left at the end of the race to mount a serious offensive
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I don't think that's it - Lewis's car is usually fueled less than Nico's, and even was at the last race where he started ninth. If anything, starting low on the grid, you want a light car at the start to help passing.[/quote]

Lewis car fueled lighter is a rumour. Just a silly rumour. If Rosberg was fueled heavier why was he told that his fuel was on the limit at early as lap 15 or so? Surely hamiton would be the one closer to the limit being fueld 4kg lighter as some uninformed people claim. It's all rubbish if you ask me. If rosberg was fueled heavier he would have been able to save more fuel thN ham esp if he was in clean air. But for the tenth race in a row it is not materialising. It is about time we give up on this faulty logic that Hamilton is fueled lighter.
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Loved the race. Well done to Lewis even if he won by virtue of Rosbergs retirement. I suppose you have to be there to benefit from others misfortune.

Alonso was superb through the race but it all meant nothing when he was reminded by Vettel why Seb is a 4 time WDC. :lol: great racing , wheel to wheel stuff. Although both of them should have just shut up and raced I think it was Alonso who cried the most. Strange how upset he became when he was showed up by Seb in a straight up battle.
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Pastor Maldonado sent to back of British GP grid, Button moved up to 3rd place

http://www1.skysports.com/f1/news/24231 ... uel-sample

Sorry disregard this, it was from yesterday
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gray41 wrote:Lewis was faultless today, got some luck but I think he had Nico anyways.
I disagree, without Rosberg's problem it would be very hard/impossible to overtake - look at Vettel-Alonso even without skills difference. He certainly wasn't faultless over the weekend and got away with a free win. The rest is car and 25+ s advantage over everyone else.

Vettel: "I don't think the people care too much if the car is half a metre to the left or right at some exits to the corner." How about 10cm for 0,3s, Alonso got a warning (did he?) because no one cared too? Hypocrisy after benefiting from breaking the rules and getting away with it because he's driving for Red Bull.

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n smikle wrote:
beelsebob wrote:I don't think that's it - Lewis's car is usually fueled less than Nico's, and even was at the last race where he started ninth. If anything, starting low on the grid, you want a light car at the start to help passing.
Lewis car fueled lighter is a rumour. Just a silly rumour.
At this point, it's much more than just a rumour. Lewis repeatedly uses less fuel than Nico - we have the facts there. The team will not waste precious tenths of a second leaving extra fuel in the car.
If Rosberg was fueled heavier why was he told that his fuel was on the limit at early as lap 15 or so?
Again - because Lewis repeatedly uses less fuel than Nico. This was borne out today - Lewis' fuel usage was substantially lower.
Surely hamiton would be the one closer to the limit being fueld 4kg lighter as some uninformed people claim.
Lewis was using substantially less fuel than Nico.
It's all rubbish if you ask me. If rosberg was fueled heavier he would have been able to save more fuel thN ham esp if he was in clean air.
Except again - he wasn't - we saw the fuel usage throughout the race. Lewis was using less. Something about Nico's style takes more both out of the tyres, and out of the fuel tank than Lewis.
But for the tenth race in a row it is not materialising. It is about time we give up on this faulty logic that Hamilton is fueled lighter.
Lewis is fuelled lighter exactly because he uses less.

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Rosberg would have to make a second stop remember.
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Gaara wrote:What is 47 G anyway?
It's 47 times the force of gravity. Unprotected, most humans will die from their injuries at 25g or so. A plane crash typically causes people to experience around 50g. So that's about it - what Kimi was exposed to was roughly the same as being in a serious plane crash.

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n smikle wrote:Rosberg would have to make a second stop remember.
What's that got to do with fuel usage?

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beelsebob wrote:
Sevach wrote:With Rosberg's Silverstone issues, both guys had 2 mechanical failures, neither has been lucky.
I'd suggest that Rosberg has been (slightly) lucky at this point. He's had one race ending failure and one manageable one, while Hamilton has had two race ending failures.
I hope Mercedes figures this out otherwise the championship will be decided on reliability, a win over your teammate means 7 points a DNF means -25.
Ideally, I'd like to see a race where Rosberg DNFs, Hamilton looks like winning, but has a manageable failure that allows him to finish second. Then it'd be equal on points lost from failure, and we'd have a real championship on our hands.
I think Hamilton has lost 11 points to Rosberg due to mechanical failings this year.

Australia: benefit of the doubt to Hamilton due to grid positions.
Hamilton +25
Rosberg -7

Canada: it's only fair to erase both the issues of the brakes for Hamilton and of the PU for both cars, since Rosberg lost more points due to the PU than Hamilton.
Hamilton +18
Rosberg +7

Silverstone: not knowing how the gearbox issues affected performance before the retirement, benefit of the doubt goes to Rosberg.
Hamilton -7
Rosberg +25

Total:
Hamilton +36
Rosberg +25

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Yep, that seems like a pretty fair analysis.

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iotar__ wrote:
gray41 wrote:Lewis was faultless today, got some luck but I think he had Nico anyways.
I disagree, without Rosberg's problem it would be very hard/impossible to overtake - look at Vettel-Alonso even without skills difference. He certainly wasn't faultless over the weekend and got away with a free win. The rest is car and 25+ s advantage over everyone else.
Bitter much?

He was much faster at the end of the first stint despite taking less out of the tyres and using less fuel, and then was massively faster in the second stint albeit with the possibility that Nico's problem was setting in then. But he would have been able to complete the race on those tyres whereas Nico had to stop again. He only stopped a second time as a precaution in case the safety car came out, and as Ted said before the race the one stop was predicted by the computers to be 6 seconds quicker but Nico couldn't make the tyres last.

He made one mistake all weekend and that was no predicting the track would dry as much as it did in S3 at the end of qualifying. Nobody predicted that, and as Nico said Mercedes nearly didn't even run. All those who benefitted were those who were on the back foot at that point, like Vettel who hadn't set a time or Nico who was the slower Mercedes driver on his first run, so it was in a way a little bit of luck for those. Ricciardo and Red Bull made the same mistake as Lewis, but you want to beat him up over it.

Rosberg benefitted from Hamilton retiring in Australia when he was behind, this evened it out.

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[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q3-ACjgxSno[/youtube]
It was fantastic how Alo controled Vet in corners, braking his racing line all the times. + looking in mirrors where Vet crossed the racing borders.
This guy is a monster.
Vettel's car was a rocket , how he could put so early on throttle and to drive so close to Alo.
Alonso showed today why he is best F1 driver.

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This is so funny...Lewis inherits a win and the fans insist he would have won anyhow, Seb gets the better of Alonso in a straight up battle and everyone refuses to acknowledge it.. :lol: Lewis been the populist gets his efforts elevated and Seb been the traditional guys people love to undermine gets hie efforts down played =D>
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Traction wrote:This is so funny...Lewis inherits a win and the fans insist he would have won anyhow, Seb gets the better of Alonso in a straight up battle and everyone refuses to acknowledge it.. :lol: Lewis been the populist gets his efforts elevated and Seb been the traditional guys people love to undermine gets hie efforts down played =D>
And I love how Lewis wins in the same manner that Rosberg has won earlier in the year and all the usual suspects are out in force downplaying his drive. Lewis was 1 second a lap quicker than Rosberg in the race and didn't need to stop again where Rosberg did, simple as.

Edit: And it was a good drive from Vettel, albeit on the wrong 2 stop strategy which was why he was behind Alonso in the first place. I didn't like his whining on the radio, he had after all pulled the same stunt banging wheels with Hamilton on the opening lap, but other than that he did good. Alonso also drove really well to keep him behind as long as he did.