Why are you incensed by this discussion?Emag wrote: ↑02 Jun 2025, 01:00It seems now that the flexi wing saga has subsided, McLaren's tyre temperature management is being framed as the next significant factor contributing to their main advantage. This could indeed be the case, and it probably is a contributing factor. However, I think it's not accurate to assume that rear tyre temperature management, specifically, is McLaren's biggest advantage over their competitors.
The Mclaren is like an onion. It has many layers. We discuss some of them from time to time. Andrea Stella said the flex-wing was used to reduce drag.Emag wrote: ↑02 Jun 2025, 01:00In my opinion, this entire aspect of their performance is not a "one-trick-pony." The design of the rear brake drums alone cannot be the sole reason for superior temperature management, particularly from an area so heavily constrained by technical regulations. I think there's more to it and you would need to design the whole rear end of the car with it in consideration.
https://www.planetf1.com/news/mclaren-f ... n-red-bull“In our case, we want to shed a little bit of drag and a little bit of load, but as long as you do it within the regulations, and that’s the case, then it’s more of a technical point rather than a legality point, if that makes sense.
Last year Mclaren had a mini-DRS system which was also used to reduce drag. It is not to say that the Mclaren is a one-trick pony in any area, but the car is in fact the sum of its many parts. A flexi-wing, a mini-drs there, a floor, a cooling system, and so on. Each time that something goes away, they lose something, no matter how small. If you lose too many parts, then it's no longer the car that it once was. Mclaren haven't reached that point yet.
Imola was front limited. Miami was rear limited. Mclaren has a unique ability with rear axle temperature management. Stella credited it for Mclaren's performance in Spain.Emag wrote: ↑02 Jun 2025, 01:00Finally, and perhaps most importantly, there's a tendency to entirely ignore McLaren's performance in Imola when discussing this topic.
You can't logically claim that McLaren's strong pace at Miami was primarily due to high track temperatures and then discard Imola as a relevant data point. McLaren was in a league of their own in Miami under those conditions. However, at Imola, where the race saw track temperatures ~ 3-4 degrees Celsius higher than in Miami, Max Verstappen was, at the very least, a match for them.
Stella:
https://www.the-race.com/formula-1/mark ... -red-bull/“Yes, I was a little surprised that we had such a clear advantage, as I’d expected Red Bull to be a little closer based on some of the similar circuit characteristics we found at those tracks.
"But in hindsight I think the very high temperatures associated with the rear axle - and that’s where our car performs very well. One characteristic of Spain is that the corners are very long - unlike Imola, where they are short. -Stella
We have some insights to origin of the mechanism. It was revealed by Red Bull earlier in the year:
This is a direct observation of the phenomena which we are speculating about. There is no ruling against it. It is up to others to replicate. This specific detail doesn't come down to suspension, wings, or floors. The actual brake drums have cool spots. They are cooling the rear tires and doing it better than anyone else. The mechanism lies within.— According to Auto Motor und Sport, Red Bull remains unconvinced and has been monitoring McLaren’s brake ducts, claiming:
“Many blue areas around the brake vents on the McLaren tyres, while all the other cars showed a lot of orange and red.”
I have some initial indications, but not about Mclaren. https://www.f1technical.net/forum/viewt ... 7#p1290827 As I said, it's an onion. No one is looking for a silver bullet, but you have to understand that these discussions are relative. We are not comparing Mclaren to Sauber. No one thing on the Mclaren is worth the 1 second margin to Sauber. It is vs the Red Bull, Mclaren, and the Ferrari. When the difference between the cars is smaller, then you can discuss the small factors which could give 1 tenth and another tenth. It adds up to the difference between the cars.Emag wrote: ↑02 Jun 2025, 01:00The flexi-wing saga is not over yet IMO, we have to see maybe the next 2-3 races to confirm, however Barcelona is a good track to test its impact. Tough conditions on the race as well, but it seemingly did nothing to McLaren's pace in both long runs and low fuel performance runs.
If they are able to extract more heat from the brake tins, they will cool the tires for which the drivers complain are too hot. If the update fails, they will not cool the tires better. So the result is implicit. Don't confuse the outcome for a "wrong objective". There's a reason that in 2017-2019 we saw the crazy wheel rim designs and the rim blowing. It was to cool the tires. There's a reason that Mclaren's brake drums are "blue"