2026 Scuderia Ferrari HP F1 Team

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Ford has noting to do with that RBR engine.

Let’s see what happens with that ADUO2 engine but if McLaren are back on the playing ground this is not looking good.

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djones wrote:
26 Jul 2026, 21:22
Darth-Piekus wrote:
26 Jul 2026, 20:30
Artur Craft wrote:
26 Jul 2026, 17:48

Being fair to Ferrari. They did do a good job with the engine as well. Mercedes´ is maybe outside the rules and RBPT just humiliated everybody : Audi, Honda and Ferrari

I still struggle to believe how Red Bull were able to pull this off. VW and Stellantis are mega car manufacturers and have several decades of know-how on this. How can a few engineers working in Milton Keynes outsmart these big companies ?
Because of Ford. Ford exist many years in F1 and Automobiles and has decades of experience. Remember that the whole thing is a collaboration. Red Bull did not do that alone.
Ford know nothing about modern F1 engines.

They took all the good people from Honda. This is the reason Aston were going crazy because the Honda they ended up with already had the good bits stripped.
First paragraph was correct, second paragraph incorrect :lol:

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djones wrote:
26 Jul 2026, 21:22
Darth-Piekus wrote:
26 Jul 2026, 20:30
Artur Craft wrote:
26 Jul 2026, 17:48

Being fair to Ferrari. They did do a good job with the engine as well. Mercedes´ is maybe outside the rules and RBPT just humiliated everybody : Audi, Honda and Ferrari

I still struggle to believe how Red Bull were able to pull this off. VW and Stellantis are mega car manufacturers and have several decades of know-how on this. How can a few engineers working in Milton Keynes outsmart these big companies ?
Because of Ford. Ford exist many years in F1 and Automobiles and has decades of experience. Remember that the whole thing is a collaboration. Red Bull did not do that alone.
Ford know nothing about modern F1 engines.

They took all the good people from Honda. This is the reason Aston were going crazy because the Honda they ended up with already had the good bits stripped.

Red bull poached several Mercedes key engine engineers as soon as 2021 for their project.

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That was frustrating. Strategy seems off lately again. There's no circuit specific plan.

They are also pitting Lewis too early and Charles too late, but not late enough. Then they don't capitalize on the plan. Something is just not right this year. It's not awful, but it's also not good.

They're wasting a very good car again.

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deadhead wrote:
26 Jul 2026, 21:31
Ford has noting to do with that RBR engine.

Let’s see what happens with that ADUO2 engine but if McLaren are back on the playing ground this is not looking good.
On their official site they mention that the engine was a collaboration between RB and Ford and they did not do it alone.

But on to the main matter at hand. Ferrari keep racing like amateurs. Instead of helping Lewis they've costed him 20 points from amateurish mistakes. They have to understand that if they want to be champions they have to back up the person who knows how to build a championship winning team.

It sounds harsh on Charles but he's 9 years at Ferrari and has given nothing.

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Darth-Piekus wrote:
26 Jul 2026, 22:08
deadhead wrote:
26 Jul 2026, 21:31
Ford has noting to do with that RBR engine.

Let’s see what happens with that ADUO2 engine but if McLaren are back on the playing ground this is not looking good.
On their official site they mention that the engine was a collaboration between RB and Ford and they did not do it alone.

But on to the main matter at hand. Ferrari keep racing like amateurs. Instead of helping Lewis they've costed him 20 points from amateurish mistakes. They have to understand that if they want to be champions they have to back up the person who knows how to build a championship winning team.

It sounds harsh on Charles but he's 9 years at Ferrari and has given nothing.
Did Hamilton design the car? Is he making the team's strategy? I think there's a huge overestimation of Lewis's role at Ferrari, and to think he's Schumacher 2.0 who will organize everything at Ferrari and make them champions again is ridiculous in my honest opinion.

At this point, there are no visible transformations at the core of Ferrari, and almost none of the improvements from last year to today can be specifically attributed to Lewis alone. Ferrari remains the same team that makes mistakes in basic strategies, the same one that overpromises and underdelivers, and has been for several years.

When Schumacher joined Ferrari in '96, he brought with him all the key people from Bennetton, and at a time when testing was unlimited and there was no cost cap, he and the engineers were able to exhaustively test new parts and solutions to put Ferrari back on top. That's why the idea of ​​a single driver reorganizing an entire team and putting it back on top sounds more like a fairy tale in today's F1.

Alonso and Vettel. World champion and talented drivers who didn't win a title with Ferrari, nor did they make Ferrari a serious, championship-winning team. I fear Hamilton will join this group, but that's not a demerit to him. What prevents Ferrari from returning to the top is Ferrari itself as a whole, and only a total reorganization will make Ferrari a champion again.

Perhaps we have different definitions of giving something to the team, but Leclerc contributed to Ferrari as much as Hamilton. However, a driver alone, even if he can give his feedback and direct the car's development, cannot work miracles in a team with deep-rooted problems and an outdated organizational culture by modern standards.

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PierreW wrote:
26 Jul 2026, 21:41
djones wrote:
26 Jul 2026, 21:22
Darth-Piekus wrote:
26 Jul 2026, 20:30


Because of Ford. Ford exist many years in F1 and Automobiles and has decades of experience. Remember that the whole thing is a collaboration. Red Bull did not do that alone.
Ford know nothing about modern F1 engines.

They took all the good people from Honda. This is the reason Aston were going crazy because the Honda they ended up with already had the good bits stripped.

Red bull poached several Mercedes key engine engineers as soon as 2021 for their project.
Ford joined the project after RBPT had already run a full ICE on the bench. They have since helped with the sort of OEM relationships and technology access that have helped take that to the next level but the original IP is all RBPT. The reality is they hired an all star team of engineers from Mercedes with a few of Honda's team also joining later. Ben Hodgkinson is a genius and one of the engineers most responsible for all of HPPs success in the last formula. They started early and ran a full PU on the bench while Mateschitz was still alive to see it. They have state of the art facilities and no tech debt to deal with and have pulled off what I consider a miracle. This is by some distance the best new engine manufacturer debut in modern F1 history in only half a season. Audi have done a decent job and is what a normal engine manufacturer debut looks like. What RBPT have done is not normal and can't really be used as some sort of benchmark because its so exceptional.

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edu2703 wrote:
26 Jul 2026, 23:58
Darth-Piekus wrote:
26 Jul 2026, 22:08
deadhead wrote:
26 Jul 2026, 21:31
Ford has noting to do with that RBR engine.

Let’s see what happens with that ADUO2 engine but if McLaren are back on the playing ground this is not looking good.
On their official site they mention that the engine was a collaboration between RB and Ford and they did not do it alone.

But on to the main matter at hand. Ferrari keep racing like amateurs. Instead of helping Lewis they've costed him 20 points from amateurish mistakes. They have to understand that if they want to be champions they have to back up the person who knows how to build a championship winning team.

It sounds harsh on Charles but he's 9 years at Ferrari and has given nothing.
Did Hamilton design the car? Is he making the team's strategy? I think there's a huge overestimation of Lewis's role at Ferrari, and to think he's Schumacher 2.0 who will organize everything at Ferrari and make them champions again is ridiculous in my honest opinion.
Perhaps we have different definitions of giving something to the team, but Leclerc contributed to Ferrari as much as Hamilton. However, a driver alone, even if he can give his feedback and direct the car's development, cannot work miracles in a team with deep-rooted problems and an outdated organizational culture by modern standards.
Good post very true what you wrote Schumacher brought a whole team with him in those days and they spend a fortune to make a car which just suited him and no cost cap constant testing which is not allowed anymore. Also Schumacher made the strategy not the team.
These days are so different compared to those

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You are right. Hamilton did not design the car but then again Hamilton did try to bring some people with him from Mercedes just like Schumacher. The difference is that Schumi was successful because Bennetton is a smaller team compared to Mercedes as an entity. And you are right that Schumacher had unlimited budget and Ferrari covered a testing distance bigger than the distance from Earth to the Moon. So I agree that its harder now. However I stand in my opinion that Leclerc hasnt contributed to anything at Ferrari. Hamilton immediately realized that the simulator is crap, saw the Mercedes rear and we learned that Mercedes had to modify it because Hamilton found something. We hear from everyone in Maranello how he is trying to organize them into a serious team. I havent seen Leclerc doing something similar in all his 9 years in Ferrari. A great driver can drive a car to the max but a legend drives a car to the max and leads a team into titles.