Lec was closing but Ham was slow until later in stint 2ringo wrote: ↑02 Jun 2025, 04:03I think Leclerc was pushing too hard at the start. He was actually closing on Norris.DJ Downforce wrote: ↑01 Jun 2025, 23:37Ham's first stint was horrendous on the used softs. He was catching up to Lec in the second: was this a case of different tyre usage or leclerc's issues? What problems did Ham have?
just give consitant car for both driver they will seal p2 in constructor. right now its on knife edge, and i think merc has shown good pace last race.. they might take that spot back given next race we go might rain again and i would not bet on sf25 to be better than them..
RB and Merc were essentially running single car teams for this triple header so not sure if there is much to celebrate
If having a --- car is Ferrari's fault, having --- drivers or engine is the respective team's fault.
4th, 5th? In what universe exactly? Easily third in quali and many times second best in the race, especially if we take average performance. They have become much more competitive in last few races. At start of the season they were further behind. Now? Not so much.evered7 wrote: ↑03 Jun 2025, 07:42If having a --- car is Ferrari's fault, having --- drivers or engine is the respective team's fault.
That Ferrari could lead despite a double DSQ in China shows how much the others have underperformed.
Ferrari have no business being there with a car that is consistently 4th or 5th fastest.
Props to the drivers. Maximised results every time.
Too many things thrown in together. Drivers absolutely dictate the wear and degradation with their respective race pace. If you push harder you heat up the tyres more and this speeds up deg and tread wear even if you keep it within the temp window. If you push less and keep them in the lower temp range of the window you will slow down the deg and wear and this is especially important in hot races. So yes, Leclerc pushed a bit too hard in the middle of stint and had deg earlier than they expected (based on Vasseur's post-race statement)AR3-GP wrote: ↑02 Jun 2025, 22:19I think it is an oversimplification to simply say someone had deg because they "pushed too hard". The car itself influences the degradation. If everyone would have Mclaren degradation by just "pushing less", then Mclaren wouldn't have the advantage that they have. Also what good is "pushing less", when you are going so slow that you are not competing for anything? Leclerc was trying to beat Verstappen to the final podium position, that's why he pushed. The degradation doesn't matter as much as the average laptime over the stint. Russell "didn't push". What did he do in the stint? He lost another 5 seconds to Leclerc.What good is not pushing?
In any case, Russell's out lap in the 2nd stint was 2 seconds faster than Leclerc's outlap. Russell's 2nd lap of the medium stint was 1 second faster than Leclerc's 2nd lap of the same stint. It cannot be accounted for by fuel load. Leclerc did not "push too hard" in the introduction of the tire. He was slower and his overall stint time was faster since he grew the gap to Russell. Pushing was not a bad thing.
You also criticized Verstappen for "pushing too hard"... He made 3 pitstops. Was he supposed to sit back and manage? Because of his "push", he nearly undercut Lando Norris. What purpose would it have been to save the tires? So he can wait for Lando Norris to pit, get fresher tires, and have a gap before VER attempts to mount a miracle challenge from behind on 7 lap older tires in a slower car? Rubbish.
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Merc are no threat until they resolve their own rear suspension / rear tyre overheating. Given they had to bin their Imola suspension, one would assume they will flip to 26’. They will be strong on colder tracks and in qualifying.Fakepivot wrote: ↑03 Jun 2025, 06:11just give consitant car for both driver they will seal p2 in constructor. right now its on knife edge, and i think merc has shown good pace last race.. they might take that spot back given next race we go might rain again and i would not bet on sf25 to be better than them..
Merc are no threat until they resolve their own rear suspension / rear tyre overheating. Given they had to bin their Imola suspension, one would assume they will flip to 26’. They will be strong on colder tracks and in qualifying.Fakepivot wrote: ↑03 Jun 2025, 06:11just give consitant car for both driver they will seal p2 in constructor. right now its on knife edge, and i think merc has shown good pace last race.. they might take that spot back given next race we go might rain again and i would not bet on sf25 to be better than them..
They quite often did race laps faster than Pole position, because they qualified with fuel on board, so I would suggest they definitely were able to push hard on the tires.
McLaren, RB, Mercedes, Ferrari is the right order. Williams were faster in Miami.proteus wrote: ↑03 Jun 2025, 08:464th, 5th? In what universe exactly? Easily third in quali and many times second best in the race, especially if we take average performance. They have become much more competitive in last few races. At start of the season they were further behind. Now? Not so much.evered7 wrote: ↑03 Jun 2025, 07:42If having a --- car is Ferrari's fault, having --- drivers or engine is the respective team's fault.
That Ferrari could lead despite a double DSQ in China shows how much the others have underperformed.
Ferrari have no business being there with a car that is consistently 4th or 5th fastest.
Props to the drivers. Maximised results every time.
Well, Mercedes were 2nd in 2023 with the 4th best car that was more consistent than Ferrari, Aston Martin and eventually McLaren turning up, so there is recent history of this happening.evered7 wrote: ↑03 Jun 2025, 07:42If having a --- car is Ferrari's fault, having --- drivers or engine is the respective team's fault.
That Ferrari could lead despite a double DSQ in China shows how much the others have underperformed.
Ferrari have no business being there with a car that is consistently 4th or 5th fastest.
Props to the drivers. Maximised results every time.
True, and also a lot less downforce back then.
