Mercedes GP W02

[MIKEY_!]

The oversteer issue is one of the reasons put forward by scarbs (read it it a good article) for the front wing f-duct thing they have apparently been running.

[Mandrake]

If pointy means very good turning at the front but not losing grip at the rear, which driver would not love to have that???

Pointy front end + rear grip comes from a well designed car and perfect setup. Any driver wants to go for that.

However, in reality there is almost always a slight tendency to either over or understeer. MSC in that case prefers oversteer as it is easier to cope with. Understeer is the worst thing to happen, while more relaxing to drive it's also slower.

[raymondu999]

If pointy means very good turning at the front but not losing grip at the rear, which driver would not love to have that???

I think it's more a case of whether or not the driving style needs that much front grip. For example I don't think Jenson needs enough front grip for a car to be called pointy. He just needs the car to have enough grip to not understeer.

[yener]

It's stupid because creating a pointy noise (good FDF) will not solve the issue they have on the rear.

So when you miss downforce at the rear, the solution is not to work on the front side of the car. It will unbalance the car.

So you'll get tons of oversteer.

[raymondu999]

It will unbalance the car.

So you'll get tons of oversteer.

Ah... but why not? When you have 2 drivers who like oversteer?

[wesley123]

I dont get the point. both drivers love oversteer, and personally when i play rFactor or so I tend to make the car really oversteery, apart from that oversteer is much easier to control then understeer, it is also more enjoyable.

The W02 is lacking downforce as whole, therefore it isnt unbalanced, and if it was, wouldnt you think they would add much more rear downforce?

[raymondu999]

I dont get the point. both drivers love oversteer, and personally when i play rFactor or so I tend to make the car really oversteery, apart from that oversteer is much easier to control then understeer, it is also more enjoyable.

I find that it's down to preference really. I personally can find stability in both, but I prefer oversteer, especially with my old semi-pro drifting; but some people actually find it easier to control understeer. Straighten the car, and brake. It's slow, but aside from that to control isn't too hard. Though I'm still rubbish at it.

The W02 is lacking downforce as whole, therefore it isnt unbalanced, and if it was, wouldnt you think they would add much more rear downforce?

Wes; yener's point is that the car is lacking rear df and only has good front df.

[amouzouris]

are those new front suspension links?

[siskue2005]

Nope , those are there since the launch

[wesley123]

I dont get the point. both drivers love oversteer, and personally when i play rFactor or so I tend to make the car really oversteery, apart from that oversteer is much easier to control then understeer, it is also more enjoyable.

I find that it's down to preference really. I personally can find stability in both, but I prefer oversteer, especially with my old semi-pro drifting; but some people actually find it easier to control understeer. Straighten the car, and brake. It's slow, but aside from that to control isn't too hard. Though I'm still rubbish at it.

Sure it is still preference, but from my own driving style(although in games), and what I hear from others, most of the pick oversteer above understeer. Understeer is something I'd expect button to drive with this, it requires much calmer driving.

The W02 is lacking downforce as whole, therefore it isnt unbalanced, and if it was, wouldnt you think they would add much more rear downforce?

Wes; yener's point is that the car is lacking rear df and only has good front df.

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Disagree with the point, if that was the case Mercedes would most likely drop on a bigger rear wing. The whole car is lacking df and oversteer is just a setup preference, not an issue of the car

[yener]

I agree the car is lacking on both front and rear side. But if you watch the 1 part of the season (especially the start) you can see and compare the grip on the rear side of the car.
Then they upgraded the rear suspension and that probably solved a part of the rear issue.

Then still I find it strange that they only have worked on a complicated exhaust system to find more DF at the rear while a modified rear wing would do probably the same.

They could still have a oversteering car if they would have a bigger (better) rear wing than they use now.

[Joie de vivre]

It doesn't really looks like they are testing anything new. At least they could experiment with new front wing, copying other just to see the differences. I really doubt next year will be any better than this one. I expect Ferrari to be the strongest opponent next to Red Bull.

[PlatinumZealot]

I agree the car is lacking on both front and rear side. But if you watch the 1 part of the season (especially the start) you can see and compare the grip on the rear side of the car.
Then they upgraded the rear suspension and that probably solved a part of the rear issue.

Then still I find it strange that they only have worked on a complicated exhaust system to find more DF at the rear while a modified rear wing would do probably the same.

They could still have a oversteering car if they would have a bigger (better) rear wing than they use now.

More drag then. Most the main planes for all the cars are about the same. not much you can gain on the RW (not including DRS!). pretty much standard territory.
I say the body, suspension and EBD is what's killing em.

[N12ck]

I dont get the point. both drivers love oversteer, and personally when i play rFactor or so I tend to make the car really oversteery, apart from that oversteer is much easier to control then understeer, it is also more enjoyable.

I find that it's down to preference really. I personally can find stability in both, but I prefer oversteer, especially with my old semi-pro drifting; but some people actually find it easier to control understeer. Straighten the car, and brake. It's slow, but aside from that to control isn't too hard. Though I'm still rubbish at it.

Sure it is still preference, but from my own driving style(although in games), and what I hear from others, most of the pick oversteer above understeer. Understeer is something I'd expect button to drive with this, it requires much calmer driving.

The W02 is lacking downforce as whole, therefore it isnt unbalanced, and if it was, wouldnt you think they would add much more rear downforce?

Wes; yener's point is that the car is lacking rear df and only has good front df.

Disagree with the point, if that was the case Mercedes would most likely drop on a bigger rear wing. The whole car is lacking df and oversteer is just a setup preference, not an issue of the car[/quote]

Wes, from what ive found (karting) if you have understeer, it can cause oversteer out of the corners which is why oversteer is prefered, as you can control the rear, but cant control the front going out of line, like you understeer, then have to turn sharper meaning the back end kicks out out of a corner, thats my reason for hating understeer :L

[Joie de vivre]

this team is too conservative IMO

i wish them best, specially for Michael since everybody is talking he is too old ... well i doubt that, he only needs better car