2016 Canadian Grand Prix - Montreal, Fri 10 – Sun 12 Jun

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giantfan10 wrote: Ferrari have closed the gap .
They still have some work to do though, when you consider they got a half priced pit stop and weren't able to do much with it!
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dans79 wrote:
giantfan10 wrote: Ferrari have closed the gap .
They still have some work to do though, when you consider they got a half priced pit stop and weren't able to do much with it!
The strategy was wrong.. and also they didn't get a half priced pit stop..
VSC ended when Vettel drove into the pits..

Some sort of way Ferrari always goes well in Canada.. 2015.. (I am a Ferrari fan) but I do not think that they have closed the gap.. But at least they are going towards the right direction.

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Considering this is Montreal, Ferrari did well to pit Vettel under the VSC. They earned more than half a pit stop free right there, Vettel was only 11 seconds behind Hamilton after that stop. They actually made a race with that pit stop, which would not have been possible otherwise. The probability of a SC here is high, so I think it was a good risk to take (the only being giving up track position). The point is, they weren't really quick enough to challenge the Merc. so nobody fooked anybody.

Could they have remained on the track and emulate the same strategy Merc. did with Hamilton ? I think not. When you look at the race, Vettel was pushing much harder with newer tyres, and they were barely making an impression on the gap with Hamilton. Vettel in fact was pushing so hard he overshot the final chicane I don't know how many times. Meanwhile, Lewis was driving much more comfortably.
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George-Jung wrote:
Restomaniac wrote:Another pit stop error by Red Bull. Again for Ric, whoever he owes money too he had better pay up. :lol:
This was really unlucky, the rim got stuck behind the brake drums/ducts.. (how do you call them?)
I know I was being ever so slightly tongue in cheek. :wink:

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George-Jung wrote:
dans79 wrote:
giantfan10 wrote: Ferrari have closed the gap .
They still have some work to do though, when you consider they got a half priced pit stop and weren't able to do much with it!
The strategy was wrong.. and also they didn't get a half priced pit stop..
VSC ended when Vettel drove into the pits..

Some sort of way Ferrari always goes well in Canada.. 2015.. (I am a Ferrari fan) but I do not think that they have closed the gap.. But at least they are going towards the right direction.
Vettel gained about 5-6 seconds by stopping when he did under VSC.
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Edax wrote:
Restomaniac wrote:The great seagull hunt of 2016 :lol:
Best thing since Montoya's "deer". :D
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8UMIjAfLsrc
Indeed. How double hard were those seagulls though.
'Sorry Seb but we're not moving!!!!'.

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Shrieker wrote:Considering this is Montreal, Ferrari did well to pit Vettel under the VSC. They earned more than half a pit stop free right there, Vettel was only 11 seconds behind Hamilton after that stop. The probability of a SC here is high, so I think it was a good risk to take (the only being giving up track position). The point is, they weren't really quick enough to challenge the Merc. so nobody fooked anybody.

Could they have remained on the track and emulate the same strategy Merc. did with Hamilton ? I think not. When you look at the race, Vettel was pushing much harder with newer tyres, and they were barely making an impression on the gap with Hamilton. Vettel in fact was pushing so hard he overshot the final chicane I don't know how many times. Meanwhile, Lewis was driving much more comfortably.
I think this alongside Rosberg gives the game away.
Vettel struggled to catch Hamilton on fresh rubber, Rosberg pretty much ate Ricciardo and Vettel's team mate on fresh rubber.
I think Hamilton had more than enough on those tyres.

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NathanOlder wrote:
Vettel gained about 5-6 seconds by stopping when he did under VSC.
Correct, and he rejoined in traffic.. which again costed him.

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Jolle wrote:It looked like VES destroyed ROS' tires in two laps time, very very nice driving!

Looks like HAM's got the (almost usual) upper hand on ROS again. Like he looses confidence whenever HAM is around.
ROS got better start than Hamilton, if you loose confidence, you cannot do that. And running wide in the first corner of the first lap is not something very hard to do, I don't see how you can put it all on the confidence.

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Here's Vettel crashing into Hamilton's post-race Sky interview, funnily blaming seagulls for a turn1 lockup
https://streamable.com/q5xd

Hamilton also noted his pre-race plan was to do a 2-stopper, but they changed to a single stop strategy.

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Restomaniac wrote:
Shrieker wrote:Considering this is Montreal, Ferrari did well to pit Vettel under the VSC. They earned more than half a pit stop free right there, Vettel was only 11 seconds behind Hamilton after that stop. The probability of a SC here is high, so I think it was a good risk to take (the only being giving up track position). The point is, they weren't really quick enough to challenge the Merc. so nobody fooked anybody.

Could they have remained on the track and emulate the same strategy Merc. did with Hamilton ? I think not. When you look at the race, Vettel was pushing much harder with newer tyres, and they were barely making an impression on the gap with Hamilton. Vettel in fact was pushing so hard he overshot the final chicane I don't know how many times. Meanwhile, Lewis was driving much more comfortably.
I think this alongside Rosberg gives the game away.
Vettel struggled to catch Hamilton on fresh rubber, Rosberg pretty much ate Ricciardo and Vettel's team mate on fresh rubber.
I think Hamilton had more than enough on those tyres.
Why does there always have to be some nonsensical analysis claiming mercedes had something on hand?
Ferrari assumed the softs which were graining heavily in those low temperatures would not last.... they were wrong in the case of Hamilton who made them last...Hamilton could modify his pace to stay ahead of vettel who was pushing his newer softs to catch Hamilton. At a certain point after a couple lockups by vettel along with fighting the 2 red bulls his tires could no longer support him attacking Hamilton... race over....Hamilton in clean air at the front could and was looking after his tires. This race was all about track position and tire preservation and Ferrari gave up track position and lost the degradation battle too...

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Steven wrote:Here's Vettel crashing into Hamilton's post-race Sky interview, funnily blaming seagulls for a turn1 lockup
https://streamable.com/q5xd

Hamilton also noted his pre-race plan was to do a 2-stopper, but they changed to a single stop strategy.
Exactly what my guess was as far as stops..... after Ferrari showed their hand by going to the SS instead of the softs in their first stop gauranteeing a second stop, Mercedes then knew their best shot at winning was a one stopper and it worked out. A 2 stopper would have had Hamilton finishing behind vettel.

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Steven wrote:Here's Vettel crashing into Hamilton's post-race Sky interview, funnily blaming seagulls for a turn1 lockup
https://streamable.com/q5xd

Hamilton also noted his pre-race plan was to do a 2-stopper, but they changed to a single stop strategy.
This is absolutely brilliant! looks like they both enjoy having a good fight again!

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Well, to some extent it's probably a relief for both of them. For Seb it's good to be genuinely competitive with the Mercs, and for Lewis it's good to have someone else to race other than Nico.

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This was a give away to Hamilton. Very basic mistake by Ferrari. Never give Hamilton track position when he has anything close to an equal car, or when the second stint is on the harder tyre. You will lose.
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