2025 Scuderia Ferrari F1 Team

[Sphere3758]

My honest opinion is that Lewis was just brought in as a Hail Mary to attract British engineers. Unfortunately, his performance tailed off in 2024 and this has been a massive failure.

Expecting Lewis to somehow fix Ferraris flaws when he couldn’t do that for the last 3 years at Mercedes is a joke. We all know drivers have minimal impact on these things. These guys have barely been to school, they are not going to streamline engineering processes or restructure ways of working

[venkyhere]

My honest opinion is that Lewis was just brought in as a Hail Mary to attract British engineers. Unfortunately, his performance tailed off in 2024 and this has been a massive failure.

Expecting Lewis to somehow fix Ferraris flaws when he couldn’t do that for the last 3 years at Mercedes is a joke. We all know drivers have minimal impact on these things. These guys have barely been to school, they are not going to streamline engineering processes or restructure ways of working

What I feel : Lewis was brought in as a Hail Mary to rake in even more sponsorship money and merchandise sales. Which will indirectly boost car sales as well - the aim being enhancing the reputation of the Ferrari brand even more in the Americas and Asia, where 'new money' billionaires are on the rise. The benefits to the 'F1 team' by having a 7-time WDC is rather the icing on the cake - and if the team gets back to winning ways, it's further 'bonus'. People like Sainz/LeClerc don't have 10% of the 'global pull' that brand Hamilton has. This is the reason why I asked this Q earlier in this thread : https://www.f1technical.net/forum/viewt ... 0#p1292030

What is the identity of Ferrari ?
- A supercar maker who happens to have an F1 team, so that some of that 'cutting edge' tech and reputation can rub off on supercar engg & sales
or
- A company whose pride and glory is F1, but makes supercars and sells them at exhorbitant prices, to fund the F1 operation and keep the rest for the fat cats at the top.

Either way, they rake in the money. Question is, which of the above is the core philosophy.

And my guess is that it used to be the latter, but over the past decade and a half, has squarely become the former.

[DJ Downforce]

Just leave Fred be, calm is what the team needs

It seems the press assassination of Vasseur by Elkann and Vigna has worked here with people questioning the team, drivers etc. who cares, the drivers nor vasseur are the problem

[bluechris]

Just leave Fred be, calm is what the team needs

It seems the press assassination of Vasseur by Elkann and Vigna has worked here with people questioning the team, drivers etc. who cares, the drivers nor vasseur are the problem

Not only here, i see the same trend in the media where the whole thing started.
Like old days and Mafia, Fred must cement his feet in maranelo no matter how much time he will need to change everything..
The joke of changing the whole team every 2-3 years must stop.

[FW17]

Just leave Fred be, calm is what the team needs

It seems the press assassination of Vasseur by Elkann and Vigna has worked here with people questioning the team, drivers etc. who cares, the drivers nor vasseur are the problem

Sounds like Italian press are fed up with Fred about not being open with them and just laughing away any questions.

[FW17]

Just leave Fred be, calm is what the team needs

It seems the press assassination of Vasseur by Elkann and Vigna has worked here with people questioning the team, drivers etc. who cares, the drivers nor vasseur are the problem

Not only here, i see the same trend in the media where the whole thing started.
Like old days and Mafia, Fred must cement his feet in maranelo no matter how much time he will need to change everything..
The joke of changing the whole team every 2-3 years must stop.

[deadhead]

Just leave Fred be, calm is what the team needs

It seems the press assassination of Vasseur by Elkann and Vigna has worked here with people questioning the team, drivers etc. who cares, the drivers nor vasseur are the problem

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=omJWm2RsUgE

Sounds like Italian press are fed up with Fred about not being open with them and just laughing away any questions.

Yes, I’ve been fed up with his nonsense for a while and I’m obviously not the only one.

Good discussion in that video

[Seanspeed]

What is stopping Ferrari from moving their f1 hq to the uk?

Because Ferrari being an Italian team is a core part of their brand identity.

And because the vast majority of Ferrari's workforce are Italians who live in Italy.

Remember Ferrari has been here from the start, they aren't some relatively newer team who had options to base themselves elsewhere when they first came into the sport. There's a continuity there they cant simply upend. At most, maybe I could see them opening some cooperative design office in the UK, but the HQ and base of the team will obviously have to remain in Italy.

[r85]

What is stopping Ferrari from moving their f1 hq to the uk?

Because Ferrari being an Italian team is a core part of their brand identity.

And because the vast majority of Ferrari's workforce are Italians who live in Italy.

Remember Ferrari has been here from the start, they aren't some relatively newer team who had options to base themselves elsewhere when they first came into the sport. There's a continuity there they cant simply upend. At most, maybe I could see them opening some cooperative design office in the UK, but the HQ and base of the team will obviously have to remain in Italy.

A base in the UK would be a good start. It would make them so much more attractive to engineers working in other teams as well as post-grads from the nearby universities.

[Hammerfist]

What is stopping Ferrari from moving their f1 hq to the uk?

Because Ferrari being an Italian team is a core part of their brand identity.

And because the vast majority of Ferrari's workforce are Italians who live in Italy.

Remember Ferrari has been here from the start, they aren't some relatively newer team who had options to base themselves elsewhere when they first came into the sport. There's a continuity there they cant simply upend. At most, maybe I could see them opening some cooperative design office in the UK, but the HQ and base of the team will obviously have to remain in Italy.

A base in the UK would be a good start. It would make them so much more attractive to engineers working in other teams as well as post-grads from the nearby universities.

I mean it seems pretty obvious they should really consider it. Nothing against Italians but I think there is a slight language barrier that makes things more difficult than they should be. Listening to AdamiI speak to Lewis, many times he answers wrong, which means he is misunderstanding the questions. I can only imagine that this problem also exists elsewhere in the team. Things get lost in translation and you end up with confusion and underperformance.

[Sergej]

According to Gazzetta (->take that with a grain of salt), Coletta will replace Vasseur at the end of the year.

[dialtone]

This team really does its best to make me not want to cheer for it…

Italian press is the worst in europe by some margin so not much to be surprised about.

[LM10]

Like Vasseur said, everything has changed in this team and many people in numerous positions have been sacked except the most problematic ones, Elkann and Vigna. Such a shame.

[catent]

It is hard to know if Vasseur's sacking is justified without knowing the internal dynamics.

If Newey was legitimately on the table, it would be catastrophic to, a year later, fire the TP who chose to forgo hiring Newey. Yikes.

An under-discussed aspect of all of this is Serra's role moving forward, if Vasseur is gone; does Serra remain as TD? In some other capacity? Or is he gone?

I will say, despite the operational strides, there still seems to be a bit of an issue on the factory/technical side of things, and I don't get the impression Vassuer has done much from a structural/personnel standpoint to address those things.

Nonetheless, this seems like a potentially premature decision, in my opinion.

[dialtone]

It is hard to know if Vasseur's sacking is justified without knowing the internal dynamics.

It’s besides the point. Sack V because he’s not good.

Then let’s look at recent history of hires to run the team, and it wasn’t very successful in the past 20 years.

At minimum one has to recognize that the 2 bosses are either incapable of hiring a good TP or have created a culture where nobody good wants to go, in fact they leave and are successful somewhere else. Either way they should step down.