2016 Scuderia Ferrari F1 Team - Ferrari

[scuderiafan]

If James Key wants a shot in one of the Big Boy teams, this is his opportunity to take it. I'm not sure how locked down he is at Toro Rosso, but I believe Ferrari could greatly benefit from his expertise and Key can benefit from Ferrari's immense resources.

[Fulcrum]

Costa - left Ferrari for Mercedes; I doubt this move is viable or desirable to either party.

Was fired from Ferrari, found employment in Mercedes would be more accurate.

As for Goss, he was responsible for the championship winning MP4-23 wasn't he?

I was being polite

As for Goss, I understand my bias is a bit unreasonable. He's never been solely responsible for an entire project, and his involvement hasn't been universally poor; at face value anyway.

MP4-21 - 3rd, 18,0,3,3 (Newey, Goss)
MP4-22 - excluded, 17,8,8,5 (Fry)
MP4-23 - 2nd, 18,6,8,3 (Lowe, Oatley, Goss, Mckiernan)
MP4-24 - 3rd, 17,2,4,0 (Lowe, Oatley, Fry, Mckiernan)
MP4-25 - 2nd, 19,5,1,6 (Lowe, Oatley, Goss, Mckiernan)
MP4-26 - 2nd, 19,6,1,6 (Lowe)
MP4-27 - 3rd, 20,7,8,3 (Lowe, Goss)
MP4-28 - 5th, 19,0,0,1 (Lowe)
MP4-29 - 5th, 19,0,0,0 (Goss)

[ripper]

If James Key wants a shot in one of the Big Boy teams, this is his opportunity to take it. I'm not sure how locked down he is at Toro Rosso, but I believe Ferrari could greatly benefit from his expertise and Key can benefit from Ferrari's immense resources.

I have read somewhere that Key is under contract with RBR, so it is unlikely he will switch team

[PlatinumZealot]

If James Key wants a shot in one of the Big Boy teams, this is his opportunity to take it. I'm not sure how locked down he is at Toro Rosso, but I believe Ferrari could greatly benefit from his expertise and Key can benefit from Ferrari's immense resources.

This! James Key is the best pick if they can get him. He has a great track record of creativity and development pace though he always had to deal with very limited resources.

[F1NAC]

If James Key wants a shot in one of the Big Boy teams, this is his opportunity to take it. I'm not sure how locked down he is at Toro Rosso, but I believe Ferrari could greatly benefit from his expertise and Key can benefit from Ferrari's immense resources.

This! James Key is the best pick if they can get him. He has a great track record of creativity and development pace though he always had to deal with very limited resources.

If Marchionne keeps his nose messing with f1 department even Newey wont help them unfortunately. He should hire if he can find an engineer like Key as you were all saying but then he need to let them work in peace and not putting them under pressure. Raising pressure wont help anyone

[Sevach]

If James Key wants a shot in one of the Big Boy teams, this is his opportunity to take it. I'm not sure how locked down he is at Toro Rosso, but I believe Ferrari could greatly benefit from his expertise and Key can benefit from Ferrari's immense resources.

I have read somewhere that Key is under contract with RBR, so it is unlikely he will switch team

Everybody says this, but he's at the junior squad for a looong time now.
Maybe he would move on if the right opportunity presented itself.

I was being polite

As for Goss, I understand my bias is a bit unreasonable. He's never been solely responsible for an entire project, and his involvement hasn't been universally poor; at face value anyway.

MP4-21 - 3rd, 18,0,3,3 (Newey, Goss)
MP4-22 - excluded, 17,8,8,5 (Fry)
MP4-23 - 2nd, 18,6,8,3 (Lowe, Oatley, Goss, Mckiernan)
MP4-24 - 3rd, 17,2,4,0 (Lowe, Oatley, Fry, Mckiernan)
MP4-25 - 2nd, 19,5,1,6 (Lowe, Oatley, Goss, Mckiernan)
MP4-26 - 2nd, 19,6,1,6 (Lowe)
MP4-27 - 3rd, 20,7,8,3 (Lowe, Goss)
MP4-28 - 5th, 19,0,0,1 (Lowe)
MP4-29 - 5th, 19,0,0,0 (Goss)

It was never clear to me how that intercalated system worked at Mclaren, upgrades made during the season obviously always carried to the next car even though the project to the next car was already under way with a different director.

My best guess is that a group of engineers would do advanced researched, try some out there ideas(things like F-ducts), without actually putting the finishing touches in the car.

Also, i would like to point out that Ferrari already had the guy who was perceived as the "good one" from Mclaren's intercalated system (Fry) and he didn't exactly work out.

I'm neither high or low on Goss, i just don't know how much influence he had on those cars.

As for Costa i think the fact that he didn't choose to leave Ferrari for another opportunity is worth pointing out.
Also worth pointing out that the guys who fired him and/or wanted him fired don't work there anymore.

Still a hard sell, Costa knows first hand there's not a lot of job security, it's gonna take an obscene amount of zeroes to convince him to come back.

[SR71]

If James Key wants a shot in one of the Big Boy teams, this is his opportunity to take it. I'm not sure how locked down he is at Toro Rosso, but I believe Ferrari could greatly benefit from his expertise and Key can benefit from Ferrari's immense resources.

This! James Key is the best pick if they can get him. He has a great track record of creativity and development pace though he always had to deal with very limited resources.

If Marchionne keeps his nose messing with f1 department even Newey wont help them unfortunately. He should hire if he can find an engineer like Key as you were all saying but then he need to let them work in peace and not putting them under pressure. Raising pressure wont help anyone

Talented professionals thrive under pressure.

It's only people who don't understand this that say pressure is bad.

It's Ferrari, it's F1, if you can't handle pressure you're not qualified to be there.

[giantfan10]

So james allison left.... and Ferrari are doomed lol....are there ever rational reactions to anything any more?

[TAG]

I believe it's more about the rinse, lather, repeat reactionary culture that repeats itself looking for short term success at the complete disregard for long term foundational stability that they could build a championship legacy team.

Other teams have figured it out but then again they didn't have an F1 legacy that preceded them Ferrari has.

[WaikeCU]

Sorry to offend, but Ferrari are starting to look like Real Madrid a few years ago. Season after season, big names come and go and still no trophies are gained. Millions are spend without result, but then suddenly there's a shift in management that points them in the right direction. In a way, It's about how the team is being managed and what the vision the president of the team has for the future. If the president/manager does what ever he feels like, then success will not be achieved.

So therefor: Is Maurizio Arrivabene the right man to lead the team? Does Sergio Marchionne/Piero Ferrari have the right vision towards success?

It's hard to see James Allison leaving the team. I still believe the team was heading the right direction in terms of technical abilities. Strategically, however, they made a lot of mistakes throughout the season and that's maybe one key area that needs improvement.

Sometimes it's not about replacing one chess piece with another to solve the problem. It's replacing a chess piece with the right one that leads to success.

[Chuckjr]

If James Key wants a shot in one of the Big Boy teams, this is his opportunity to take it. I'm not sure how locked down he is at Toro Rosso, but I believe Ferrari could greatly benefit from his expertise and Key can benefit from Ferrari's immense resources.

I have read somewhere that Key is under contract with RBR, so it is unlikely he will switch team

Money has a way of untangling pesky things like contracts, and virtually no other team has more money than Ferrari. If they want him, they will get him.

[TAG]

Money has a way of untangling pesky things like contracts, and virtually no other team has more money than Ferrari. If they want him, they will get him.

Throwing money at something without a plan achieves nothing. Hiring someone simply because you can without a specific long term plan... well that's been the issue of why they're struggling to begin with. A few days a go the talk was trying to lure Brawn when Brawn himself said in an interview that JA was a great guy for the job.

Ferrari's idea of a plan is to assemble a group of people that can get them into championship contention next year. It's been their plan since the end of the the Schumacher era, hasn't lead to a lot of results.

[garychopper]

Ferrari have done it yet again, proving that their biggest enemy is no one but themselves. But this constant drama and hysteria is in their blood and they are loved and hated for this fiery passion. This frustration is part and parcel of any Ferrari fans life including mine and so…this too shall pass.
Without inside knowledge, it is difficult to ascertain the precise reasons for James Allisons leaving, whether it is personal, or differences with Signor Marchionne, but I am not that pessimistic on Ferrari with this development. Only time will tell about its impact but I am not giving up hope…yet.
I was one of the few who were very happy when Ferrari cleaned the slate with wholesale firings at the end of 2014, because the people who got fired had proven time and time again that they are not up to the job, they were responsible for those declining Alonso years when rot was setting in year in and year out with no improvement.
Last year Ferrari were on a roll, clearly improving despite knowing from early on that they were going to do wholesale changes to their design; and this together with the Haas loophole, gave the team reason for optimism. SF-16H is a good car and no serious f1 follower believed that it will leapfrog Mercedes, who clearly are on a 3rd iteration of the design philosophy but I think Signor Marchionne was promised a title contender by the technical team and he gave free reigns to the people in charge, in terms of resources and minimal interference. He was embarrassed when SF-16H did not meet its target for whatever reason, be it reliability or lack of chassis development or underestimating the scope of rivals improvements but I think he was embarrassed [and a person in his position can’t afford to be made to look ridiculous- Jack Woltz ]
Signor Marchionne strikes me as a difficult and demanding man but he does not strike me as a man who likes ‘yes’ men, I think he likes straightshooters. His F1 inexperience showed when he was constantly boasting about Ferrari being a title contender this year but I think we need to give him some time to properly judge him. A person being an accountant or a janitor makes no difference to me as long as he can work hard and improve. He definitely strikes me as a towering personality who can shield Ferrari from pressures of the press or people’s expectations. James Allison is excellent and will be an asset to any team, but if he cannot focus 100% because of his personal circumstances, there is no harm in letting him go.
I am happy that they have promoted internally, it shows that they are showing their workforce that they are willing to find talent from within. I am also one of the few who believe that Ferrari are just fine without Newey. Big personalities and names are not what Ferrari needs, they have enough talent within their ranks. The only person I really wish comes back is Costa. It still pains me to remember how he was fired by Alonso, Fry, Tombazis politics.
I am absolutely fine if Ferrari does not win a race this year but what I would be curious to see is if they improve. Engine wise ferrari are there and I think if they show the kind of improvement in their chassis like they have showed with their engine, I see them getting to the top sooner or later. I am not giving up on them yet.

[Fulcrum]

If James Key wants a shot in one of the Big Boy teams, this is his opportunity to take it. I'm not sure how locked down he is at Toro Rosso, but I believe Ferrari could greatly benefit from his expertise and Key can benefit from Ferrari's immense resources.

I have read somewhere that Key is under contract with RBR, so it is unlikely he will switch team

Everybody says this, but he's at the junior squad for a looong time now.
Maybe he would move on if the right opportunity presented itself.

I was being polite

As for Goss, I understand my bias is a bit unreasonable. He's never been solely responsible for an entire project, and his involvement hasn't been universally poor; at face value anyway.

MP4-21 - 3rd, 18,0,3,3 (Newey, Goss)
MP4-22 - excluded, 17,8,8,5 (Fry)
MP4-23 - 2nd, 18,6,8,3 (Lowe, Oatley, Goss, Mckiernan)
MP4-24 - 3rd, 17,2,4,0 (Lowe, Oatley, Fry, Mckiernan)
MP4-25 - 2nd, 19,5,1,6 (Lowe, Oatley, Goss, Mckiernan)
MP4-26 - 2nd, 19,6,1,6 (Lowe)
MP4-27 - 3rd, 20,7,8,3 (Lowe, Goss)
MP4-28 - 5th, 19,0,0,1 (Lowe)
MP4-29 - 5th, 19,0,0,0 (Goss)

It was never clear to me how that intercalated system worked at Mclaren, upgrades made during the season obviously always carried to the next car even though the project to the next car was already under way with a different director.

My best guess is that a group of engineers would do advanced researched, try some out there ideas(things like F-ducts), without actually putting the finishing touches in the car.

Also, i would like to point out that Ferrari already had the guy who was perceived as the "good one" from Mclaren's intercalated system (Fry) and he didn't exactly work out.

I'm neither high or low on Goss, i just don't know how much influence he had on those cars.

As for Costa i think the fact that he didn't choose to leave Ferrari for another opportunity is worth pointing out.
Also worth pointing out that the guys who fired him and/or wanted him fired don't work there anymore.

Still a hard sell, Costa knows first hand there's not a lot of job security, it's gonna take an obscene amount of zeroes to convince him to come back.

I agree with your points.

I never understood the McLaren system. It's almost as if they couldn't make a call about the direction/leadership/etc... they preferred, and they decided to hedge instead. I'd also suggest "too many cooks in the kitchen", but look at Mercedes now.

Costa in some senses would be a perfect. Not only does he know Ferrari intimately, he also knows trade secrets from Mercedes. You can imagine the length of gardening leave though. He'd only start working in 2018.

Who knows? Money is a key motivator. Ferrari has money. The fact that the personalities involved in his dismissal have left might make your idea more plausible than we imagine.

[bhall II]

So james allison left.... and Ferrari are doomed lol....are there ever rational reactions to anything any more?

An accurate appraisal can generally be found somewhere on the spectrum that exists between GPR-A, for whom everything is always wrong, and you, someone for whom nothing is ever wrong.

And orbiting Mars...

Talented professionals thrive under pressure.

It's only people who don't understand this that say pressure is bad.

The problem with Ferrari is that they are under pressure...