Sebastian Vettel had virtually led from start to finish after launching away from pole position and easily retaining first, even without KERS. Lewis Hamilton came in second after an impressive turnaround of McLaren performance while Vitaly Petrov brought Lotus Renault its first 2011 podium.
On another forum I'm entered in a game were you pick two positions. This week it was 4th and 14th I hit the nail on the head with Heidfield in 14th, I missed by a little with Button in 4th. I think I'm still in the pound seats!raymondu999 wrote:Or read your post actually. It wasn't too different
Senna was streets ahead of Petrov? Really?
Agreed, I think everyone accepts it works for overtaking etc. I think the main argument from teams is it's very expensive, and in times of cost cutting, does F1 really need the expense.roost89 wrote:di Resta: What certainly helped me was KERS. You can store it for a battle and I used it with Kamui.
KERS does help, according to a driver using it then. He also said that although he was able to use the DRS he wasn't close enough for it to be useful. That old chestnut again.
Senna missed the GP2 title in 2008 only by bad luck. He hit a dog in Istanbul losing a chunk of points. Then in SPA while leading the race in the wet, came into the pits, the team released him in the way of an unknown backmarker, prompting a drive thru ruining his race and championship chances. He won in a wet Silverstone trouncing the rest of the field. Petrov's best finish that year was a sole win and was 7th in the standings. When it comes to talent, Senna has loads more compared to Petrov. People often do the mistake of judging him by his drives in the HRT. And yet again we saw what a joke they were. Senna (and Chandok) should be lauded for their efforts in that team.raymondu999 wrote: Senna was streets ahead of Petrov? Really?
Of course KERS helps. Just look how Hamilton was able to get back at Webber after his bad start.roost89 wrote:di Resta: What certainly helped me was KERS. You can store it for a battle and I used it with Kamui.
KERS does help, according to a driver using it then. He also said that although he was able to use the DRS he wasn't close enough for it to be useful. That old chestnut again.
Shrieker wrote:Senna missed the GP2 title in 2008 only by bad luck. He hit a dog in Istanbul losing a chunk of points. Then in SPA while leading the race in the wet, came into the pits, the team released him in the way of an unknown backmarker, prompting a drive thru ruining his race and championship chances. He won in a wet Silverstone trouncing the rest of the field. Petrov's best finish that year was a sole win and was 7th in the standings. When it comes to talent, Senna has loads more compared to Petrov in F1. People often do the mistake of judging him by his drives in the HRT. And yet again we saw what a joke they were. Senna (and Chandok) should be lauded for their efforts in that team.raymondu999 wrote: Senna was streets ahead of Petrov? Really?
He would've been much closer to Petrov than Heidfeld had he been in the race seat.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_GP2_Series_season
He did win a couple of races, and challanged for the title in a below par carTumbarello wrote:A certain most successful F1 driver of all time wasn't all that crash hot in junior formulae and was actually touted to be less of a talent than another countryman of his who went on to win nothing in F1.
Would that be the same driver whose brother had been quicker in the junior formulae and was tipped to be even better in F1?Tumbarello wrote:A certain most successful F1 driver of all time wasn't all that crash hot in junior formulae and was actually touted to be less of a talent than another countryman of his who went on to win nothing in F1.
I don't know but yes, he does have a brother who was pretty good for a while but then had a long, protracted fading period to the end of his career.myurr wrote:Would that be the same driver whose brother had been quicker in the junior formulae and was tipped to be even better in F1?Tumbarello wrote:A certain most successful F1 driver of all time wasn't all that crash hot in junior formulae and was actually touted to be less of a talent than another countryman of his who went on to win nothing in F1.
I stand corrected on the 'won nothing' part but as far as I'm aware, he did not ever properly challenged for no titles!Shrieker wrote:He did win a couple of races, and challanged for the title in a below par carTumbarello wrote:A certain most successful F1 driver of all time wasn't all that crash hot in junior formulae and was actually touted to be less of a talent than another countryman of his who went on to win nothing in F1.
From what I was hearing from the commentators, DC, Ant Davidson, Karun Chandhok et al. They fully expected the DRS-Zone to be between T2 and T3 as that had the greater opportunity for overtaking.Diesel wrote:Agreed, I think everyone accepts it works for overtaking etc. I think the main argument from teams is it's very expensive, and in times of cost cutting, does F1 really need the expense.roost89 wrote:
It's also a bit strange how it's restricted so heavily, surely to promote the green message these things should be storing and discharging as much energy as possible?
Good race today, it seemed overtaking was limited by the contraints of the circuit. It was really encouraging to see cars running so close to each other. Most drivers seemed to have problems with DRS because they weren't close enough, poor traction out of the last corner? The straight was then not long enough to reel in the car infront.
Malayasia will be a good test, we would have had both extremes then. A short point and squirt circuit, and a long sweeping circuit. I suspect the issue with DRS at Sepang will probably be the straight is too long! So I guess that's where they will think about a time restriction, like KERS.
My, rough, transcription of what Di Resta said was more to show that the DRS, on this occasion, wasn't effective at what it was designed for and that the previous "push to pass" system provided a better platform from which to initiate an overtake or defend.Tumbarello wrote:of course KERS helps. Just look how Hamilton was able to get back at Webber after his bad start.
I believe the teams restricted it. It might even have been a certain red team if I remember correctly.Diesel wrote: Agreed, I think everyone accepts it works for overtaking etc. I think the main argument from teams is it's very expensive, and in times of cost cutting, does F1 really need the expense.
It's also a bit strange how it's restricted so heavily, surely to promote the green message these things should be storing and discharging as much energy as possible?
