Chinese GP 2010 - Shanghai

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Remote_Access wrote:Long time lurker first time poster:

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A lot of people pour poop on Lewis for some of the things he does in an effort to win. Well, history will show that it's that sort of attitude that separates the greats from the goods. We are possibly watching the next great racer of our time - you don't have to love the guy, just enjoy it!

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Welcome aboard. Good post.

I am NOT a Hamilton fan, so I am VERY happy to see Button beating him. Hamilton could learn from Button. Whether he does or not will say a lot about Hamilton. Learn what? That pure speed and unbridled aggression wins races, but intelligence and maturity wins championships.
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donskar wrote: That pure speed and unbridled aggression wins races, but intelligence and maturity wins championships.
Perhaps, but surely if you win enough races from having pure speed and aggression then you'll win a championship?

and in all honestly they have both won a championship, i doubt how they done it will bother either of them...

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All I can say is, what a phenomenal race that was!!! \:D/ 70 overtaking moves in 1 race (11 of which by Hamilton btw :D ) is the most for years. It was just one of those races when there was always something going on and never a dull moment. Button, Hamilton and Rosberg were all fabulous, but all for very different reasons =D>

If only the remaining 15 races could be this amazing, then there could never be talk of boredom in F1...

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Apart form a bit of hoo-haa at the start, I was bored by the race. I missed a bus to watch the end of the recorded race from silly o'clock in the morning - won't be making that mistake again! #-o

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komninosm wrote:Vettel forgets so fast...
http://altf1.blogspot.com/2008/07/germa ... lewis.html
On the exit of the pits there was a somewhat controversial incident involving Vettel and Alonso. The Toro Rosso team released Vettel right alongside Alonso, something that according to the regulations they shouldn't do. It resulted in Alonso effectively being pushed wide on the exit and running over the white line. It was a bit naughty from the Toro Rosso team, and I'm a little surprised they weren't punished for it. It would have been extremely harsh for Vettel as it was completely out of his hands, but Alonso was rightly furious about it.
*cough*, 10 pages ago .... but easily missed with all the depressing schoolyard namecalling and blinkered partisan internet bollocks that makes any contemporary post-race thread such a tedious bore to wade through.
feynman wrote:Vettel does have a little bit of form here no? He squeezed Hamilton into the airlines today, and shoved Alonso over the holy white line at Hockenheim 08.

He likes to keep it feisty in the pitlane, he obviously considers it part of the racetrack so fair's fair.

All those with stopwatches going frame by frame on the McLaren release today, you probably don't want to click the link, think of your poor heart.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JMDdoEjcVBM[/youtube]

note : Bernie's FOM flying monkeys killed this clip last time, so be quick.

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andrew wrote:Apart form a bit of hoo-haa at the start, I was bored by the race. I missed a bus to watch the end of the recorded race from silly o'clock in the morning - won't be making that mistake again! #-o
Bored? Seriously? Ferrari fan? Schumacher fan? [-X

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feynman wrote:
komninosm wrote:Vettel forgets so fast...
http://altf1.blogspot.com/2008/07/germa ... lewis.html
On the exit of the pits there was a somewhat controversial incident involving Vettel and Alonso. The Toro Rosso team released Vettel right alongside Alonso, something that according to the regulations they shouldn't do. It resulted in Alonso effectively being pushed wide on the exit and running over the white line. It was a bit naughty from the Toro Rosso team, and I'm a little surprised they weren't punished for it. It would have been extremely harsh for Vettel as it was completely out of his hands, but Alonso was rightly furious about it.
*cough*, 10 pages ago .... but easily missed with all the depressing schoolyard namecalling and blinkered partisan internet bollocks that makes any contemporary post-race thread such a tedious bore to wade through.
feynman wrote:Vettel does have a little bit of form here no? He squeezed Hamilton into the airlines today, and shoved Alonso over the holy white line at Hockenheim 08.

He likes to keep it feisty in the pitlane, he obviously considers it part of the racetrack so fair's fair.

All those with stopwatches going frame by frame on the McLaren release today, you probably don't want to click the link, think of your poor heart.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JMDdoEjcVBM[/youtube]

note : Bernie's FOM flying monkeys killed this clip last time, so be quick.
I remember seeing your post and the video was already deleted from youtube then. :(

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Pit-stops

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Sutil's second one was the fastest of all.
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andrew wrote:Apart form a bit of hoo-haa at the start, I was bored by the race. I missed a bus to watch the end of the recorded race from silly o'clock in the morning - won't be making that mistake again! #-o
What?! Are you being serious? That was one of the most exciting and unpredictable races for yonks!!! \:D/

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Hannah. wrote:
andrew wrote:Apart form a bit of hoo-haa at the start, I was bored by the race. I missed a bus to watch the end of the recorded race from silly o'clock in the morning - won't be making that mistake again! #-o
What?! Are you being serious? That was one of the most exciting and unpredictable races for yonks!!! \:D/
After the first few laps it kind of died down. Yes, it was the best race so far, but it is the best of a bad lot sadly. #-o

Hopefully the European rounds at the older tracks will be better. [-o<

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andrew wrote:Depends on ones point of view. Some want fair racing that is correctly governed. Other want a red carpet and priority given to suit one driver.
That's the trolling I'm talking about. And you still go ahead and pose like you're a 'mature' person. The stewards have been wrong in the past, but thank GOD you're not a steward.
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Shrieker wrote:
andrew wrote:Depends on ones point of view. Some want fair racing that is correctly governed. Other want a red carpet and priority given to suit one driver.
That's the trolling I'm talking about. And you still go ahead and pose like you're a 'mature' person. The stewards have been wrong in the past, but thank GOD you're not a steward.
That is taken out of context and was to do with an earlier discussion which has now been put to bed for the sake of humanity.

No trolling there at all. Everyone wants the driver they support to have an advantage to win and to get away with thing which others think are dubious. Me included. No offence was meant at all to anyone.

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Giblet wrote:Again Seg, see my post in the other thread. The white line in the rules separates the race track from the pitlane, you will notice the white line we are questioning here actually separates the pitlane from OFF TRACK area.
No, sorry I'm afraid you're just stirring - 'again'. The above rule quoted applies equally to pit lane exit and entry. You're really scraping the barrel with that 'off-track' bullshit. It means nothing, and intentionally so, but I'm afraid that's the only place you have left to go with that one. Much like Lewis really.
Therefore, according to the rules you can't pass another driver off the track, and unfortunately, when Lewis passed, he was not entirely off tracks.
I'd like to know where you get this fantasy from, but as you've just admitted Hamilton was in an off-track area anyway (I'm afraid you'll find pictures that proves that Lewis was firmly out of the pit lane and therefore off-track according to you) and maintained his track position because of it - so should he have given back the place to Vettel? :roll: Cheers, I hadn't thought of that one. :lol:
This is my logic, what is yours?
Well, you jumped up and down demanding a rule clarification from me as to where my evidence was. It was provided by someone several pages back in that thread that no one read. You have nothing to back up what you're claiming apart from conjecture and your own bizarre interpretation of other rules which you don't quote.

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andrew wrote:
Shrieker wrote:
andrew wrote:Depends on ones point of view. Some want fair racing that is correctly governed. Other want a red carpet and priority given to suit one driver.
That's the trolling I'm talking about. And you still go ahead and pose like you're a 'mature' person. The stewards have been wrong in the past, but thank GOD you're not a steward.
Everyone wants the driver they support to have an advantage to win and to get away with thing which others think are dubious.
Please speak for yourself only. I'm a Lewis Hamilton fan and I'd love to see him win with an inferior car rather than a superior one. Plus he won his title when there was a steward ruling (be it the right call or the wrong one) against him - which is the icing on the cake. And if he has committed an offence which is clearly against the rules (jumping the start for a good example) than I would DEFINITELY like to see him serve a penalty for it.
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segedunum wrote:
Giblet wrote:Again Seg, see my post in the other thread. The white line in the rules separates the race track from the pitlane, you will notice the white line we are questioning here actually separates the pitlane from OFF TRACK area.
No, sorry I'm afraid you're just stirring - 'again'. The above rule quoted applies equally to pit lane exit and entry. You're really scraping the barrel with that 'off-track' bullshit. It means nothing, and intentionally so, but I'm afraid that's the only place you have left to go with that one. Much like Lewis really.
Therefore, according to the rules you can't pass another driver off the track, and unfortunately, when Lewis passed, he was not entirely off tracks.
I'd like to know where you get this fantasy from, but as you've just admitted Hamilton was in an off-track area anyway (I'm afraid you'll find pictures that proves that Lewis was firmly out of the pit lane and therefore off-track according to you) and maintained his track position because of it - so should he have given back the place to Vettel? :roll: Cheers, I hadn't thought of that one. :lol:
This is my logic, what is yours?
Well, you jumped up and down demanding a rule clarification from me as to where my evidence was. It was provided by someone several pages back in that thread that no one read. You have nothing to back up what you're claiming apart from conjecture and your own bizarre interpretation of other rules which you don't quote.

Always attacking the poster. My sig is gonna be HUGE.

I quoted the rules that someone, whos name is FLC, said.

Allow me to requote them, and please point out to me where this rule is about the entrance and exit being under the same umbrella.

Entrance to the pit lane
a) The section of track leading to the pit lane shall be referred to as the “pit entry”.
b) During competition access to the pit lane is allowed only through the pit entry.
c) Any driver intending to leave the track or to enter the pit lane should make sure that it is safe to do so.
d) Except in cases of force majeure (accepted as such by the Stewards of the Meeting), the crossing, in any direction, of the line separating the pit entry and the track is prohibited.

The rule about the pit exit line, was never applied to the front, according to these rules you are speaking about.

I've basically reached the point where to me, everything you say is merely entertainment, as you have the most crass mouth and worst attitude I have seen in an online forum. I have my opinions about why things are, and you argue things in your childish, arrogant ways,. You act as you know everything, and call others poeple's posts bullshit. You are the only user on this great site with such an acid tongue, and I just don't see the need for it.
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