2025 McLaren F1 Team

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emp wrote:
07 Sep 2025, 16:16
Ben1980 wrote:
07 Sep 2025, 16:12
There was no real strategy options. They couldn't catch Max. And werent losing 2nd or 3rd.
There were different options, including putting one on softs and one on hards earlier. Not wait for both and hoping for a safety car with 8 laps remaining. Absolutely braindead.
Would have made no difference.

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emp wrote:
07 Sep 2025, 16:19
mwillems wrote:
07 Sep 2025, 16:18
emp wrote:
07 Sep 2025, 16:11
To go from 6 seconds to 18 seconds behind...braindead strategy. Absolutely awful.
2nd is second, whether 6 or 18 seconds. They went as long as they could for an SC or VSC to get the win.
And we don't know how fast they would've been with the hards because they couldn't realize that the waiting is a losing strategy, if they even realized.
All they had to do was make a choice, and they didn't even do that.

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FittingMechanics wrote:
07 Sep 2025, 16:18
emp wrote:
07 Sep 2025, 16:16
Ben1980 wrote:
07 Sep 2025, 16:12
There was no real strategy options. They couldn't catch Max. And werent losing 2nd or 3rd.
There were different options, including putting one on softs and one on hards earlier. Not wait for both and hoping for a safety car with 8 laps remaining. Absolutely braindead.
Problem is you won't get drivers accept that. They will run same strategies unless they see clear gain by going different.
As someone said earlier here, they weren't losing 2nd and 3rd. Why not try something different? They aren't so bothered with the podiums anyway.

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emp wrote:
07 Sep 2025, 16:19
mwillems wrote:
07 Sep 2025, 16:18
emp wrote:
07 Sep 2025, 16:11
To go from 6 seconds to 18 seconds behind...braindead strategy. Absolutely awful.

2nd is second, whether 6 or 18 seconds. They went as long as they could for an SC or VSC to get the win.
And we don't know how fast they would've been with the hards because they couldn't realize that the waiting is a losing strategy, if they even realized.
I think they know an awful lot more than us.

We couldn't follow, couldn't pressure.

Tyres werent going to do anything, but a safety would have been a game changer.
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Slahinki wrote:
07 Sep 2025, 16:16
What is this strategy, lmao. Lost themselves nearly fifteen seconds to Verstappen by staying out too long.
it was a win/loose nothing throw of dice - if they didnt try it, that would have been strange.
The swap was an awkward situation and they will get flak from all the many Lando/Mclaren haters - but best decission all in all. With Red Bull being that fast, Oscar may find he needs Lando to back him up

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emp wrote:
07 Sep 2025, 16:19
mwillems wrote:
07 Sep 2025, 16:18
emp wrote:
07 Sep 2025, 16:11
To go from 6 seconds to 18 seconds behind...braindead strategy. Absolutely awful.
2nd is second, whether 6 or 18 seconds. They went as long as they could for an SC or VSC to get the win.
And we don't know how fast they would've been with the hards because they couldn't realize that the waiting is a losing strategy, if they even realized.
No one was much faster on the hards though. They can tell from what others are doing. They were never going to suddenly be considerably faster than Max.

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Ben1980 wrote:
07 Sep 2025, 16:20
emp wrote:
07 Sep 2025, 16:16
Ben1980 wrote:
07 Sep 2025, 16:12
There was no real strategy options. They couldn't catch Max. And werent losing 2nd or 3rd.
There were different options, including putting one on softs and one on hards earlier. Not wait for both and hoping for a safety car with 8 laps remaining. Absolutely braindead.
Would have made no difference.
Do you know their race pace on hards? Yeah, in the end i also think that they couldn't won, but why not give it a try with at least one of the cars?

Emag
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Don't think they were going to beat Max on-track. Max was faster with no contention until the tires blistered. There weren't enough laps for the hard to blister on the second stint though. The gap would have grown regardless. The 19s only looks bad because they realized they didn't have the pace and were hoping for a safety car so they pushed it a bit too long.

It was really really stupid though. Once Max was out of their safety car window, they should have pit Lando immediately to avoid the clown-igans with the swap later.
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I feel warmer to Oscar than Lando, but I'm fine with the swap. There is a strong chance Oscar was ahead because he pitted first.
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emp wrote:
07 Sep 2025, 16:23
Ben1980 wrote:
07 Sep 2025, 16:20
emp wrote:
07 Sep 2025, 16:16


There were different options, including putting one on softs and one on hards earlier. Not wait for both and hoping for a safety car with 8 laps remaining. Absolutely braindead.
Would have made no difference.
Do you know their race pace on hards? Yeah, in the end i also think that they couldn't won, but why not give it a try with at least one of the cars?
The hards werent massively faster on any car. Would have been the same for Mclaren.

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Ben1980 wrote:
07 Sep 2025, 16:19
djones wrote:
07 Sep 2025, 16:15
Complete scandal and even Max called it straight away.

Brundle needs to stop being so biased towards the Brit too.
Scandal.. hahaha
I'll presume English is not your primary language. But it's literally the definition of a scandal what they have done to Oscar.

'Scandal - an action or event regarded as morally or legally wrong and causing general public outrage.'

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Ben1980 wrote:
07 Sep 2025, 16:23
emp wrote:
07 Sep 2025, 16:19
mwillems wrote:
07 Sep 2025, 16:18


2nd is second, whether 6 or 18 seconds. They went as long as they could for an SC or VSC to get the win.
And we don't know how fast they would've been with the hards because they couldn't realize that the waiting is a losing strategy, if they even realized.
No one was much faster on the hards though. They can tell from what others are doing. They were never going to suddenly be considerably faster than Max.
Max was faster on hards, he got the fastest lap on them until the last lap, maybe Mclaren got in the last one but i'm not sure.

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Hahah, loving Osc's interview where he called it "little inchident" :D forum overreacting to stuff as usual, strategy was fine, race pace was not great, swap was fine

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djones wrote:
07 Sep 2025, 16:25
Ben1980 wrote:
07 Sep 2025, 16:19
djones wrote:
07 Sep 2025, 16:15
Complete scandal and even Max called it straight away.

Brundle needs to stop being so biased towards the Brit too.
Scandal.. hahaha
I'll presume English is not your primary language. But it's literally the definition of a scandal what they have done to Oscar.

'Scandal - an action or event regarded as morally or legally wrong and causing general public outrage.'
Look, normally I would agree, but don't ignore the circumstances. This is an overreaction.

Lando accepted they pit Oscar first on the condition he still comes out ahead. The team told him of course and they carried on. Lando was the one who was supposed to pit first and he didn't to cover for the team. The team let him down.

It wasn't exactly true racing conditions and Oscar was asked to move away.

It was just unnecessary for them to go for this. Pushed it too long and also they didn't have to cover for Leclerc either so they should have pit Lando first regardless.
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djones wrote:
07 Sep 2025, 16:25
Ben1980 wrote:
07 Sep 2025, 16:19
djones wrote:
07 Sep 2025, 16:15
Complete scandal and even Max called it straight away.

Brundle needs to stop being so biased towards the Brit too.
Scandal.. hahaha
I'll presume English is not your primary language. But it's literally the definition of a scandal what they have done to Oscar.

'Scandal - an action or event regarded as morally or legally wrong and causing general public outrage.'
If anyone thinks, thar was morally or legally wrong, I question their thinking. If anyone is outraged, I question their thinking.

I hope no one is that stupid.