Engine usage in '09

[andruhavik]

ESPImperium, may be I missed something, but why in main page (http://www.f1technical.net/articles/12613) Kovalainen's engine #2 after Silverstone - 1335.334, but in yours stat. - after Germany his #2 - 1063.786 ?

[ESPImperium]

I totally overhaulled the figures, ill up date the main page figures soon, but the 2008 figures are my priority at the moment.

Porbably looking at a Wednesday completion for the 08 figures and a update on the next day for the 2009 figures on the main page.

[andruhavik]

I mean, that the mileage Kovalainen's engine #2 after the ninth grand prix became less than after the eighth

[jddh1]

I mean, that the mileage Kovalainen's engine #2 after the ninth grand prix became less than after the eighth

He ran his car backwards, actually finishing a race this time.

[xpensive]

How about these latest news for 2011?!

Koenigsegg-Saab will be given a concession to run a 120 degree 3.2 liter V12 for 2011, provided it's run on pure cellulose methanol! This would give a better xplanation for Koenigsegg's interest in F1.
Clearly a move from MrM to widen the scope of F1, no?

[Professor]

As of Thursday, July 23rd this was engine usage (Thursday before Hungary)

Number Car Driver New engines used so far

01 McLaren Mercedes Lewis Hamilton 4
02 McLaren Mercedes Heikki Kovalainen 4
03 Ferrari Felipe Massa 5
04 Ferrari Kimi Räikkönen 4
05 BMW Sauber Robert Kubica 6
06 BMW Sauber Nick Heidfeld 5
07 Renault Fernando Alonso 5
08 Renault Nelson Piquet 5
09 Toyota Jarno Trulli 5
10 Toyota Timo Glock 5
11 STR Ferrari Jaime Alguersuari 4
12 STR Ferrari Sébastien Buemi 4
14 RBR Renault Mark Webber 5
15 RBR Renault Sebastian Vettel 5
16 Williams Toyota Nico Rosberg 5
17 Williams Toyota Kazuki Nakajima 5
20 Force India Mercedes Adrian Sutil 5
21 Force India Mercedes Giancarlo Fisichella 5
22 Brawn Mercedes Jenson Button 5
23 Brawn Mercedes Rubens Barrichello 5

On Saturday, July 23rd this was released by the FIA - The following drivers will use a new engine for the remainder of the event:

Number Car Driver Previously used engines

01 McLaren Mercedes Lewis Hamilton 4
02 McLaren Mercedes Heikki Kovalainen 4
04 Ferrari Kimi Räikkönen 4

So, the total after the race should be:

Number Car Driver New engines used so far

01 McLaren Mercedes Lewis Hamilton 5
02 McLaren Mercedes Heikki Kovalainen 5
03 Ferrari Felipe Massa 5
04 Ferrari Kimi Räikkönen 5
05 BMW Sauber Robert Kubica 6
06 BMW Sauber Nick Heidfeld 5
07 Renault Fernando Alonso 5
08 Renault Nelson Piquet 5
09 Toyota Jarno Trulli 5
10 Toyota Timo Glock 5
11 STR Ferrari Jaime Alguersuari 4
12 STR Ferrari Sébastien Buemi 4
14 RBR Renault Mark Webber 5
15 RBR Renault Sebastian Vettel 5
16 Williams Toyota Nico Rosberg 5
17 Williams Toyota Kazuki Nakajima 5
20 Force India Mercedes Adrian Sutil 5
21 Force India Mercedes Giancarlo Fisichella 5
22 Brawn Mercedes Jenson Button 5
23 Brawn Mercedes Rubens Barrichello 5

[ISLAMATRON]

ESPImperium... we gonna get an updated color coded table please?

[ESPImperium]

Update tomorrow night, and thius one will be colour coded. Once i get some one i know in the computer buisness to get me a copy of Adobe Dreamweaver ill get updates up much quicker on the main hone page of the site.

Ill have alot to update, altho the Chassis page is already pretty much perfectly up to date, just doint the "lesser" data at the moment. The Engine data is labour intencive for accuracy purposes.

But, Vettel has put a spanner in the works, ill theel you that.

[parmalat]

Having a deep appreciation of all the hard work many of you have put in with the engine use stats, it pains me to say the information is basically useless.

The teams are free to use any of their eight allotted engines in P1, P2, P3. The only info available is which engine they are using in the race. An incorrect assumption is made that the total laps from a weekend are all done with the same engine. The reason many of the teams appeared to not use engine #1 again is because they began using that for practice sessions for the succeeding races. After that was used up they would then use another engine used previously in a race as their practice engine.

With the available information there is no way to know how many miles are on any one engine. We can say how many miles were used during the race, but we don't know about practice session miles.

[ESPImperium]

That is true.

But is why i think that engines should be used con-currently, basically as soon as one engine is switched out, they teams cannot use another one for FP1, FP2 or FP3. As soon as it is switched out, the FIA put a seal on it that if broken the driver strats from the back of the grid for the next race.

Thats how id have the engine rule.

[ISLAMATRON]

So you been feeding us spurious numbers all this time? Not knowing which engines have been run in FP1,2 & 3?!?!?!? Shame on you!

just kidding, not a big deal, thanks for the effort

[Giblet]

Teams should get 1 point (or any other arbitrary amount) for each engine they don't use by the end of the year.

[ISLAMATRON]

Teams should get 1 point (or any other arbitrary amount) for each engine they don't use by the end of the year.

or maybe an extra engine towards the next year

[hpras]

Is there a difference between rebuilding a previously sealed engine (assuming no connecting rods are sticking out the side) or showing up with a brand new unsleaed engine. If not, should there be?

[ESPImperium]

So you been feeding us spurious numbers all this time? Not knowing which engines have been run in FP1,2 & 3?!?!?!? Shame on you!

just kidding, not a big deal, thanks for the effort

Thats why i think all teams should be forced into publishing engine serials as well, just like what Williams do with FP1, 2 & 3.

Is there a difference between rebuilding a previously sealed engine (assuming no connecting rods are sticking out the side) or showing up with a brand new unsleaed engine. If not, should there be?

Anything like that and the engine is concidered a new engine.